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Dave Kelsen 06-21-2006 08:39 PM

Mushy acceleration
 
OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:

'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.

When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.

Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
more responsive.

Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
(3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.

My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.

Opinions, please?

Thanks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se
contenta con haberla perdido.
(Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is
not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda

High Tech Misfit 06-21-2006 08:48 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
Dave Kelsen wrote:

> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen


My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93
Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again.

High Tech Misfit 06-21-2006 08:48 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
Dave Kelsen wrote:

> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen


My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93
Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again.

High Tech Misfit 06-21-2006 08:48 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
Dave Kelsen wrote:

> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen


My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93
Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again.

Alan 06-21-2006 10:30 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 

TOP POST

Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason.


Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se
> contenta con haberla perdido.
> (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is
> not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda



Alan 06-21-2006 10:30 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 

TOP POST

Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason.


Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se
> contenta con haberla perdido.
> (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is
> not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda



Alan 06-21-2006 10:30 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 

TOP POST

Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason.


Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
>
> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission.
>
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.
>
> Opinions, please?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se
> contenta con haberla perdido.
> (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is
> not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda



Pilot41 06-21-2006 10:47 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.

Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing.
Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?)
or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage
trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere.


Pilot41 06-21-2006 10:47 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.

Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing.
Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?)
or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage
trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere.


Pilot41 06-21-2006 10:47 PM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation.
>
> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the
> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way
> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it,
> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as
> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the
> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much
> more responsive.
>
> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the
> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more
> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers.
>
> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert.

Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing.
Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?)
or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage
trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere.


Elle 06-22-2006 12:58 AM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote
>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat
>> delayed (by a
>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable,
>> depending on my situation.
>>
>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I
>> manually put the
>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator
>> 3/4 of the way
>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only
>> if I floor it,
>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response.
>> Otherwise, it's as
>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm
>> talking 3/4 of the
>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used
>> to be much
>> more responsive.
>>
>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this
>> off to the
>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but
>> I'm losing more
>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in
>> previous summers.
>>
>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no
>> expert.

> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an
> engine thing.
> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had
> a tune up?)
> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would
> cause mileage
> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or
> ignition somewhere.


In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new
plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires,
new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done?

Were genuine Honda parts used?



Elle 06-22-2006 12:58 AM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote
>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat
>> delayed (by a
>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable,
>> depending on my situation.
>>
>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I
>> manually put the
>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator
>> 3/4 of the way
>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only
>> if I floor it,
>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response.
>> Otherwise, it's as
>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm
>> talking 3/4 of the
>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used
>> to be much
>> more responsive.
>>
>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this
>> off to the
>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but
>> I'm losing more
>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in
>> previous summers.
>>
>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no
>> expert.

> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an
> engine thing.
> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had
> a tune up?)
> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would
> cause mileage
> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or
> ignition somewhere.


In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new
plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires,
new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done?

Were genuine Honda parts used?



Elle 06-22-2006 12:58 AM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote
>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat
>> delayed (by a
>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable,
>> depending on my situation.
>>
>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I
>> manually put the
>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator
>> 3/4 of the way
>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only
>> if I floor it,
>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response.
>> Otherwise, it's as
>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm
>> talking 3/4 of the
>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used
>> to be much
>> more responsive.
>>
>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this
>> off to the
>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but
>> I'm losing more
>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in
>> previous summers.
>>
>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no
>> expert.

> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an
> engine thing.
> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had
> a tune up?)
> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would
> cause mileage
> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or
> ignition somewhere.


In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new
plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires,
new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done?

Were genuine Honda parts used?



N.E.Ohio Bob 06-22-2006 07:24 AM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
> OP wrote
>
>>>When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat
>>>delayed (by a
>>>second or two). This is more or less noticeable,
>>>depending on my situation.
>>>


Throttle body need a good cleaning? bob

N.E.Ohio Bob 06-22-2006 07:24 AM

Re: Mushy acceleration
 
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
> OP wrote
>
>>>When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat
>>>delayed (by a
>>>second or two). This is more or less noticeable,
>>>depending on my situation.
>>>


Throttle body need a good cleaning? bob


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