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Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > >>Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >>>'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >>>transmission. > > >>Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and >>hasn't had >>plugs done yet? > > > Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in > fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just > better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on > the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his > weren't due until 110k miles. > > The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say > that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced > until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also > says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if > necessary. > http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E > > (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than > American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt > the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) > > Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs > and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would > certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > > >>If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty >>high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new >>plugs every 15K >>miles. > > > What are you driving? > > My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k > miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. > > Platinum plugs on the newer Hondas last 100K. bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:18 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >>> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >>> OP wrote >>>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>>> delayed (by a >>>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>>> depending on my situation. >>>>> >>>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>>> manually put the >>>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>>> Only if I floor it, >>>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>>> used to be much >>>>> more responsive. >>>>> >>>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>>> this off to the >>>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>>> but I'm losing more >>>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>>> previous summers. >>>>> >>>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>>> expert. >>>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>>> an engine thing. >>>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>>> had a tune up?) >>>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>>> cause mileage >>>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>>> ignition somewhere. >>> >>> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >>> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >>> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >>> done? >>> >>> Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element >> were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - >> at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled >> replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are >> used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to >> be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, >> and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has >> not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter >> replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, >> and so has no cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut >> off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel >> filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after >> making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are >> OK. > > I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the > plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air > filter above. > >> That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get >> kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old >> days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the >> results were, but these days that's potentially very >> expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or > carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection > (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every > 60k miles. > > Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I > think you'd get a check engine light for this. Good catch, Elle; I have had a failed O2 sensor (secondary), and it did give me a check engine light. I think the code was P0141. I replaced that myself, one of the easier things I've done. There could be some correlation, although the sensor was replaced 10-15K ago. > Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the > above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which > I most certainly am not... > > Updates welcome, to help others in the future. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "To think is easy. To act is hard. But the hardest thing in the world is to act in accordance with your thinking." -- Goethe |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:18 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >>> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >>> OP wrote >>>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>>> delayed (by a >>>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>>> depending on my situation. >>>>> >>>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>>> manually put the >>>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>>> Only if I floor it, >>>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>>> used to be much >>>>> more responsive. >>>>> >>>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>>> this off to the >>>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>>> but I'm losing more >>>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>>> previous summers. >>>>> >>>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>>> expert. >>>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>>> an engine thing. >>>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>>> had a tune up?) >>>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>>> cause mileage >>>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>>> ignition somewhere. >>> >>> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >>> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >>> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >>> done? >>> >>> Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element >> were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - >> at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled >> replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are >> used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to >> be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, >> and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has >> not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter >> replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, >> and so has no cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut >> off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel >> filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after >> making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are >> OK. > > I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the > plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air > filter above. > >> That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get >> kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old >> days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the >> results were, but these days that's potentially very >> expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or > carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection > (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every > 60k miles. > > Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I > think you'd get a check engine light for this. Good catch, Elle; I have had a failed O2 sensor (secondary), and it did give me a check engine light. I think the code was P0141. I replaced that myself, one of the easier things I've done. There could be some correlation, although the sensor was replaced 10-15K ago. > Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the > above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which > I most certainly am not... > > Updates welcome, to help others in the future. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "To think is easy. To act is hard. But the hardest thing in the world is to act in accordance with your thinking." -- Goethe |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:18 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >>> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >>> OP wrote >>>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>>> delayed (by a >>>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>>> depending on my situation. >>>>> >>>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>>> manually put the >>>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>>> Only if I floor it, >>>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>>> used to be much >>>>> more responsive. >>>>> >>>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>>> this off to the >>>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>>> but I'm losing more >>>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>>> previous summers. >>>>> >>>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>>> expert. >>>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>>> an engine thing. >>>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>>> had a tune up?) >>>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>>> cause mileage >>>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>>> ignition somewhere. >>> >>> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >>> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >>> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >>> done? >>> >>> Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element >> were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - >> at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled >> replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are >> used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to >> be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, >> and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has >> not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter >> replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, >> and so has no cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut >> off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel >> filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after >> making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are >> OK. > > I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the > plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air > filter above. > >> That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get >> kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old >> days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the >> results were, but these days that's potentially very >> expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or > carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection > (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every > 60k miles. > > Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I > think you'd get a check engine light for this. Good catch, Elle; I have had a failed O2 sensor (secondary), and it did give me a check engine light. I think the code was P0141. I replaced that myself, one of the easier things I've done. There could be some correlation, although the sensor was replaced 10-15K ago. > Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the > above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which > I most certainly am not... > > Updates welcome, to help others in the future. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "To think is easy. To act is hard. But the hardest thing in the world is to act in accordance with your thinking." -- Goethe |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/23/2006 8:44 AM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a >> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. >> >> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the >> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way >> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, >> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as >> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the >> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much >> more responsive. >> >> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the >> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more >> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. >> >> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. >> >> Opinions, please? >> >> Thanks. >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen > > ----------------------------------------------- > > 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp > with a cold engine. This is when it's warm, and the hill isn't too tall, although pretty steep. > 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It > will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle > body clean. Excellent idea. I'll do it soon. > 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now > and then anyway. > > 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V > had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a > bit of slack.... I'll do that as well. Thanks, Curls, and the others who responded. I'll let you know what results I get. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- You know, poetry would be a lot easier if the words "girlfriend" and "Satan" rhymed. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/23/2006 8:44 AM 'Curly Q. Links' spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a >> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. >> >> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the >> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way >> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, >> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as >> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the >> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much >> more responsive. >> >> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the >> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more >> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. >> >> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. >> >> Opinions, please? >> >> Thanks. >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen > > ----------------------------------------------- > > 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp > with a cold engine. This is when it's warm, and the hill isn't too tall, although pretty steep. > 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It > will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle > body clean. Excellent idea. I'll do it soon. > 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now > and then anyway. > > 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V > had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a > bit of slack.... I'll do that as well. Thanks, Curls, and the others who responded. I'll let you know what results I get. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- You know, poetry would be a lot easier if the words "girlfriend" and "Satan" rhymed. |
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