new Honda CR-V break in
 

I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
What is the proper way?

I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 12/31/2009 05:41 PM, Guy wrote:
> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?
>
> I don't care what the manual says.

in that case, you should get rid of this vehicle and go buy a buick.
buh-bye!


> What do you guys feel is the best
> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:55:56 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 12/31/2009 05:41 PM, Guy wrote:
>> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>> What is the proper way?
>>
>> I don't care what the manual says.
>
>in that case, you should get rid of this vehicle and go buy a buick.
>buh-bye!
>

I didn't mean the manual was wrong but wanted to know what
experience(s) work well with a new Honda. Maybe most don't follow the
manual???



>
>> What do you guys feel is the best
>> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
>> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

Guy wrote:
> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?

What does the manual tell you to do in regards to the proper way to
deal with the break in period?

> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.

By the sounds of your second paragraph, you may as well disregard my
first portion of my reply. The manual was written by the people who
designed and built the vehicle. *They* know what the vehicle needs and
how it needs to be treated throughout its life.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <jaiqj59fcmiu02eqs7tsh5gcjm8a2bbhig@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?
>
> I don't care what the manual says.

ummmm, yeah. You don't care what the engineers say--you'd rather come
to some newsgroup and have anonymous voices tell you something.

In other words, you're shopping for an answer that you think is right.
You've already decided, you just want someone to agree. You don't think
the engineers have it right, so that's why you're here.

Fact: the owner's manual is the only authoritative resource, and
anything you hear here is more likely than not to be nothing more than
old wives' tales, handed down from father to son without interference
from actual knowledge or facts.

Have fun with your shiny new $25,000 toy.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <26mqj5pe66brehseqtiah36j5l7pkkrpr5@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> >in that case, you should get rid of this vehicle and go buy a buick.
> >buh-bye!
> >
>
> I didn't mean the manual was wrong but wanted to know what
> experience(s) work well with a new Honda. Maybe most don't follow the
> manual???

Or maybe most do.

Your owner's manual says...what? about oil changes?

Does it have a maintenance minder system?

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 2010-01-01, Guy <void@void.com> wrote:
> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?
>
> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.

Drive it normal, without a heavy foot, and change oil when the
maintenance minder tells you. The original oil is a special blend,
and it doesn't make sense to take it out before necessary.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01 Jan 2010 07:38:46 GMT, Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-01-01, Guy <void@void.com> wrote:
>> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>> What is the proper way?
>>
>> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
>> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
>> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.
>
>Drive it normal, without a heavy foot, and change oil when the
>maintenance minder tells you. The original oil is a special blend,
>and it doesn't make sense to take it out before necessary.


Thanks Joe for answering my question. I wasn't trying to disrespect
the manual but I really just wanted to know what others actually did
or didn't do. Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
light?? I haven't had a new car in a while so I forgot what I did
exactly but I remember back in the 70's with a new car, driving under
55 for like 500 miles or so. I thought I read more recently that due
to tighter tolerances, break in wasn't necessary on newer cars. I
guess I was wondering what others thought. Perhaps I didn't word my
orig post well and most jumped down my throat. Thanks Joe for at
least trying to answer me without accusations. Appreciate that.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
> light??

wow.

Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
pay attention when the guy shows you details?

wow.

Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
(yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
associated with that combination.

What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.

And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in news:jaiqj59fcmiu02eqs7tsh5gcjm8a2bbhig@
4ax.com:

> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?
>
> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.



You just entrusted Honda with tens of thousands of your dollars in exchange
for a complicated machine that might as well be a "black box" to you.

The engineers that designed the vehicle and its systems have performed
testing that consumed hundreds of millions of dollars and millions of hours
of time. Some of that testing was done in order to determine the
maintenance requirements.

The end result of all that testing is manifested in the Maintenance Minder
on your dashboard, and in the Maintenance Schedule in the Owner's Manual.

If you're willing to trust Honda enough to purchase a piece of their
complex, precision machinery, but regard as suspect Honda's official word
on how to take care of it, preferring the opinions of anonymous, uneducated
Usenet posters instead, you're asking for trouble.

Having said that, I am of the opinion that you can never change your oil
too often. I draw a distinction, however, between replacement of the
factory fill and subsequent oil changes.

It has not been established with 100% certainty that the factory fill is
indeed ordinary off-the-shelf motor oil. It might be slightly different
from off-the-shelf, but nobody really knows. For that reason I would leave
the factory fill in until the Minder says to replace it. After that, change
it /more/ often than required if you like. And always use an OEM filter.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 12/31/2009 07:31 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jaiqj59fcmiu02eqs7tsh5gcjm8a2bbhig@4ax.com >,
> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>
>> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>> What is the proper way?
>>
>> I don't care what the manual says.
>
> ummmm, yeah. You don't care what the engineers say--you'd rather come
> to some newsgroup and have anonymous voices tell you something.
>
> In other words, you're shopping for an answer that you think is right.
> You've already decided, you just want someone to agree. You don't think
> the engineers have it right, so that's why you're here.
>
> Fact: the owner's manual is the only authoritative resource, and
> anything you hear here is more likely than not to be nothing more than
> old wives' tales, handed down from father to son without interference
> from actual knowledge or facts.
>
> Have fun with your shiny new $25,000 toy.

this is the piece of psychology that always completely blows my mind -
the bit where people can spend a bunch of dough, then completely
disregard what they put it into. if they had a suitcase with $25,000 in
hundreds, would they toss it out of a moving car with the lid open and
watch the notes get blown away in the wind? of course not. but when
those bills are all stuck together and shaped like a "car", psychology
completely changes - owners manual? pshaw!

this is contrasted with their behavior when getting on a plane. they
pay money to sit compliantly and unquestioningly while they put their
lives literally into the hands of other people who they have faith will
proceed to follow the thousands and thousands of instructions in the
plane's "owners manual", precisely and exactly, and thereby arrive at
their destination safely.

to summarize:

* flying on a plane - they trust experts to know what they're doing.

* driving a car - johnny shade tree is trusted and the experts are
actively not.

freakin' humans - they are so bizarrely perversely weird.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 05:44 AM, Guy wrote:
> On 01 Jan 2010 07:38:46 GMT, Joe<joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-01-01, Guy<void@void.com> wrote:
>>> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>>> What is the proper way?
>>>
>>> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
>>> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
>>> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.
>>
>> Drive it normal, without a heavy foot, and change oil when the
>> maintenance minder tells you. The original oil is a special blend,
>> and it doesn't make sense to take it out before necessary.
>
>
> Thanks Joe for answering my question. I wasn't trying to disrespect
> the manual but I really just wanted to know what others actually did
> or didn't do. Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
> light?? I haven't had a new car in a while so I forgot what I did
> exactly but I remember back in the 70's with a new car, driving under
> 55 for like 500 miles or so. I thought I read more recently that due
> to tighter tolerances, break in wasn't necessary on newer cars. I
> guess I was wondering what others thought. Perhaps I didn't word my
> orig post well and most jumped down my throat. Thanks Joe for at
> least trying to answer me without accusations. Appreciate that.

"rtfm" is not an accusation, guy - it's simply trying to save you from
yourself.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 07:33 AM, Tegger wrote:
> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in news:jaiqj59fcmiu02eqs7tsh5gcjm8a2bbhig@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>> What is the proper way?
>>
>> I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
>> mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
>> filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.
>
>
>
> You just entrusted Honda with tens of thousands of your dollars in exchange
> for a complicated machine that might as well be a "black box" to you.
>
> The engineers that designed the vehicle and its systems have performed
> testing that consumed hundreds of millions of dollars and millions of hours
> of time. Some of that testing was done in order to determine the
> maintenance requirements.
>
> The end result of all that testing is manifested in the Maintenance Minder
> on your dashboard, and in the Maintenance Schedule in the Owner's Manual.
>
> If you're willing to trust Honda enough to purchase a piece of their
> complex, precision machinery, but regard as suspect Honda's official word
> on how to take care of it, preferring the opinions of anonymous, uneducated
> Usenet posters instead, you're asking for trouble.
>
> Having said that, I am of the opinion that you can never change your oil
> too often.

with respect, that opinion is underinformed. from
http://www.swri.org/3pubs/IRD1999/03912699.htm

we read: "Testing with partially stressed oil, which contained some wear
debris, produced less wear than testing with clean oil."

provided you're not using cheap garbage oil with a poor additive package
or a poor base that's breaking down, there is no point changing your oil
more frequently than factory spec. especially with a maintenance
minder. better yet, get oil analysis done - with analysis and a quality
full synthetic, i'm looking at 20k miles between changes, based on my
driving pattern.


> I draw a distinction, however, between replacement of the
> factory fill and subsequent oil changes.
>
> It has not been established with 100% certainty that the factory fill is
> indeed ordinary off-the-shelf motor oil. It might be slightly different
> from off-the-shelf, but nobody really knows. For that reason I would leave
> the factory fill in until the Minder says to replace it. After that, change
> it /more/ often than required if you like. And always use an OEM filter.
>
>

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <GISdnc2cbrfHi6PWnZ2dnUVZ_sIAAAAA@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> > Have fun with your shiny new $25,000 toy.
>
> this is the piece of psychology that always completely blows my mind -
> the bit where people can spend a bunch of dough, then completely
> disregard what they put it into. if they had a suitcase with $25,000 in
> hundreds, would they toss it out of a moving car with the lid open and
> watch the notes get blown away in the wind? of course not.

Some would, and then you'd see a blog entry on The Consumerist about how
Samsonite bags suck and they wouldn't even take the owner's phone call
about how Samsonite owes him $25,000 because his bag didn't prevent the
bills from leaving the opened suitcase.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Xns9CF36B32535A6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> > I don't care what the manual says. What do you guys feel is the best
> > mileage to do the first oil change? I normally change my oil and
> > filter around 3500 miles on my other cars with no synthetic.
>
>
>
> You just entrusted Honda with tens of thousands of your dollars in exchange
> for a complicated machine that might as well be a "black box" to you.
>
> The engineers that designed the vehicle and its systems have performed
> testing that consumed hundreds of millions of dollars and millions of hours
> of time. Some of that testing was done in order to determine the
> maintenance requirements.

And I know one of those guys who did the testing. He's no dummy. He's
paid well to flog the thing and know how it performs, and help the
engineering effort to the end.

Dismissing this guy, the guy I know, is ludicrous.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Xns9CF36B32535A6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> If you're willing to trust Honda enough to purchase a piece of their
> complex, precision machinery, but regard as suspect Honda's official word
> on how to take care of it, preferring the opinions of anonymous, uneducated
> Usenet posters instead, you're asking for trouble.
>
> Having said that, I am of the opinion that you can never change your oil
> too often. I draw a distinction, however, between replacement of the
> factory fill and subsequent oil changes.

I agree. Oil is cheap, which makes it cheap insurance. If you change
it twice as often as Honda dictates, you've spent an extra $300 over
100,000 miles.

And if you got one of the engines that was put together on a bad day,
that may make the difference between an engine swap and not.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:Bbqdnf6d8-IJhKPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.net:

> On 01/01/2010 07:33 AM, Tegger wrote:

>>
>> Having said that, I am of the opinion that you can never change your
>> oil too often.
>
> with respect, that opinion is underinformed. from
> http://www.swri.org/3pubs/IRD1999/03912699.htm



This is an extremely interesting document, so thanks for the link. However,
it dates from 1999.

The last paragraph is significant, in that the authors note their findings
have not yet been fleshed-out or verified by additional testing, and are
based on limited data.

Quite a lot may have happened in the succeeding ten years since that doc
was written, but there's nothing new on the SwRI site.


>
> we read: "Testing with partially stressed oil, which contained some
> wear debris, produced less wear than testing with clean oil."


And this: "...many oil chemistries require time and temperature to enhance
their effectiveness".

I'm really curious what real-world lessons those statements and test
results have for us car owners. They have a contact page, I see. Next week
I'll submit a few questions to them in the hopes of getting an answer.

Stay tuned...



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Xns9CF36B32535A6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> It has not been established with 100% certainty that the factory fill is
> indeed ordinary off-the-shelf motor oil. It might be slightly different
> from off-the-shelf, but nobody really knows. For that reason I would leave
> the factory fill in until the Minder says to replace it. After that, change
> it /more/ often than required if you like. And always use an OEM filter.

And for God's sake, people, don't think you know what you're doing--or
that your father knew what he was doing--and continue to use the same
crush washer on the drain plug. Use a new one every time.

Even better if you follow the service manual and tighten the drain plug
with a torque wrench to the specified torque. I'm happy to know that my
DEALERSHIP mechanic, a true professional technician, does that every
time. (Yeah, that's right--I request this guy for everything, even oil
changes.)

Going back to what jim and Tegger said, Honda says to use a new crush
washer for a reason. Is that five cents REALLY going to break you? If
so, you need to reconsider your car purchase.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Bbqdnf6d8-IJhKPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> provided you're not using cheap garbage oil with a poor additive package
> or a poor base that's breaking down

but hey, that oil deal at Big Lots was so incredible, I couldn't not buy
ten cases. What does "SB" mean, anyway?

;-)

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Bbqdnf6d8-IJhKPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> there is no point changing your oil
> more frequently than factory spec. especially with a maintenance
> minder. better yet, get oil analysis done - with analysis and a quality
> full synthetic, i'm looking at 20k miles between changes, based on my
> driving pattern.

Yes, that's another cheap insurance way to do it. Blackstone Labs
tested my 92 Civic Si at 120K miles, and they declared the engine so
clean you could sip soup from it. They recommended increasing the
interval dramatically.

Of course, that was with a 3000 mile oil change interval I'd been doing
over its life.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 08:37 AM, Tegger wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:Bbqdnf6d8-IJhKPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 07:33 AM, Tegger wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Having said that, I am of the opinion that you can never change your
>>> oil too often.
>>
>> with respect, that opinion is underinformed. from
>> http://www.swri.org/3pubs/IRD1999/03912699.htm
>
>
>
> This is an extremely interesting document, so thanks for the link. However,
> it dates from 1999.
>
> The last paragraph is significant, in that the authors note their findings
> have not yet been fleshed-out or verified by additional testing, and are
> based on limited data.
>
> Quite a lot may have happened in the succeeding ten years since that doc
> was written, but there's nothing new on the SwRI site.

1999 or not, that doesn't change the physics. think of it like this:
solid ice can rough you up pretty badly. water offers almost no
lubrication worth worrying about. but ice slurry, where the smaller
particles are free to slide among themselves, can be a fantastic remover
of friction.


>
>
>>
>> we read: "Testing with partially stressed oil, which contained some
>> wear debris, produced less wear than testing with clean oil."
>
>
> And this: "...many oil chemistries require time and temperature to enhance
> their effectiveness".

that means you leave to oil /in/ for it to reach maximum effectiveness!
to be clear though - i would not recommend it for cheap oil - that
stuff breaks down, loses viscosity and sludges up your engine. but i
wouldn't use cheap oil - period. breakdown, poor additive packages,
lousy seal conditioning - just stay away.


>
> I'm really curious what real-world lessons those statements and test
> results have for us car owners. They have a contact page, I see. Next week
> I'll submit a few questions to them in the hopes of getting an answer.
>
> Stay tuned...

that would be great - thank you!

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Guy" <void@void.com> said:

> I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> What is the proper way?

RTFM.

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com>,
> "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>> light??
>
>wow.
>
>Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>
>wow.

I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
right? Then no big deal as I see it.

>
>Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>(yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>associated with that combination.
>
>What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.

I will.
>
>And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.

I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
here. I think judgement is always a good thing. I was hoping
people here had some but apparently not. I guess they just follow
the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
aren't gods.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 2010-01-01, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns9CF36B32535A6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> It has not been established with 100% certainty that the factory fill is
>> indeed ordinary off-the-shelf motor oil. It might be slightly different
>> from off-the-shelf, but nobody really knows. For that reason I would leave
>> the factory fill in until the Minder says to replace it. After that, change
>> it /more/ often than required if you like. And always use an OEM filter.
>
> And for God's sake, people, don't think you know what you're doing--or
> that your father knew what he was doing--and continue to use the same
> crush washer on the drain plug. Use a new one every time.
>
> Even better if you follow the service manual and tighten the drain plug
> with a torque wrench to the specified torque. I'm happy to know that my
> DEALERSHIP mechanic, a true professional technician, does that every
> time. (Yeah, that's right--I request this guy for everything, even oil
> changes.)
>
> Going back to what jim and Tegger said, Honda says to use a new crush
> washer for a reason. Is that five cents REALLY going to break you? If
> so, you need to reconsider your car purchase.

Yup. It's the main reason that I get my oil changes done at the local
Delta Sonic car wash chain (they added oil-change and other
maintenance services at several locations). MANY chains will do
things like ignoring the recommended oil, use inferior filters, and
never change the crush washer. This place does better service for oil
changes than my closest dealership, so I stick with them. The price
is the same, but the service is better.

It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>> light??
>>
>> wow.
>>
>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>
>> wow.
>
> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>
>>
>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>> associated with that combination.
>>
>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>
> I will.
>>
>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>
> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.

so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
your judgment?


> I was hoping
> people here had some but apparently not.

some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
to think that matters.


> I guess they just follow
> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
> aren't gods.

as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.

bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
correct advice as of no consequence.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
> On 2010-01-01, Elmo P. Shagnasty<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> In article<Xns9CF36B32535A6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
>> Tegger<invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>
>>> It has not been established with 100% certainty that the factory fill is
>>> indeed ordinary off-the-shelf motor oil. It might be slightly different
>>> from off-the-shelf, but nobody really knows. For that reason I would leave
>>> the factory fill in until the Minder says to replace it. After that, change
>>> it /more/ often than required if you like. And always use an OEM filter.
>>
>> And for God's sake, people, don't think you know what you're doing--or
>> that your father knew what he was doing--and continue to use the same
>> crush washer on the drain plug. Use a new one every time.
>>
>> Even better if you follow the service manual and tighten the drain plug
>> with a torque wrench to the specified torque. I'm happy to know that my
>> DEALERSHIP mechanic, a true professional technician, does that every
>> time. (Yeah, that's right--I request this guy for everything, even oil
>> changes.)
>>
>> Going back to what jim and Tegger said, Honda says to use a new crush
>> washer for a reason. Is that five cents REALLY going to break you? If
>> so, you need to reconsider your car purchase.
>
> Yup. It's the main reason that I get my oil changes done at the local
> Delta Sonic car wash chain (they added oil-change and other
> maintenance services at several locations). MANY chains will do
> things like ignoring the recommended oil, use inferior filters, and
> never change the crush washer. This place does better service for oil
> changes than my closest dealership, so I stick with them. The price
> is the same, but the service is better.
>
> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>

while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're not
infallible. last time i paid someone to change my oil, it was san
francisco honda - they had a special offer and i was in a hurry. they
munged it pretty bad - they forgot to check the old oil filter seal
wasn't still stuck to the block, which of course it was. when the new
filter went on, that was /two/ seals in place, and naturally, one burst
as soon as oil pressure built. oil sprayed all over the engine
compartment, contaminated all my belts, got onto the radiator so it
clogged with dust, and got all over the exhaust ready to leave a smoke
trail for the next couple of miles. complete fiasco.

so, if you're not doing this stuff yourself, take the elmo approach -
find someone competent, experienced, and who knows their business. then
stick with them.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:46:28 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>>> light??
>>>
>>> wow.
>>>
>>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>>
>>> wow.
>>
>> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
>> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
>> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
>> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>>> associated with that combination.
>>>
>>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>>
>> I will.
>>>
>>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>>
>> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
>> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
>> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
>> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
>> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
>> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
>> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
>> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.
>
>so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
>your judgment?
>
>
>> I was hoping
>> people here had some but apparently not.
>
>some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
>to think that matters.
>
>
>> I guess they just follow
>> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
>> aren't gods.
>
>as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.
>
>bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
>advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
>offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
>correct advice as of no consequence.


You seem to have a high opinion of yourself. I also have experience
tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine and I think the
manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
experiences. Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
you.

Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
that mfgr. So not knowing the truth, I was seeking other's advice
besides reading the manual. And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:rLydnU8pArz__KPWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:

>>
>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>
>
> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
> not infallible.



Ain't that the truth.

My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
it, as monkeys do.

I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The plug
is not stripped.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 01:40 PM, Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:46:28 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>>>> light??
>>>>
>>>> wow.
>>>>
>>>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>>>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>>>
>>>> wow.
>>>
>>> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
>>> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
>>> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
>>> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>>>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>>>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>>>> associated with that combination.
>>>>
>>>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>>>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>>>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>>>
>>> I will.
>>>>
>>>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>>>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>>>
>>> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
>>> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
>>> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
>>> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
>>> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
>>> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
>>> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
>>> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.
>>
>> so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
>> your judgment?
>>
>>
>>> I was hoping
>>> people here had some but apparently not.
>>
>> some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
>> to think that matters.
>>
>>
>>> I guess they just follow
>>> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
>>> aren't gods.
>>
>> as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.
>>
>> bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
>> advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
>> offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
>> correct advice as of no consequence.
>
>
> You seem to have a high opinion of yourself.

because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument?
i think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.


> I also have experience
> tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine

but you intend to ignore them anyway!


> and I think the
> manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
> will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
> experiences.

right.

now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
respective manufacturers?


> Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
> you.

yeah right!


>
> Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
> recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
> conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
> to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
> that mfgr.

so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.


> So not knowing the truth,

dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?


> I was seeking other's advice
> besides reading the manual.

why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person
here. unlike the manufacturer of course.


> And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
> parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????

well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're
prepared to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 03:50 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 01/01/2010 01:40 PM, Guy wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:46:28 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>>>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>>>>> light??
>>>>>
>>>>> wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>>>>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>>>>
>>>>> wow.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
>>>> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
>>>> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
>>>> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>>>>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's
>>>>> manual
>>>>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>>>>> associated with that combination.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I
>>>>> have B3
>>>>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just
>>>>> license
>>>>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>>>>
>>>> I will.
>>>>>
>>>>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>>>>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>>>>
>>>> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
>>>> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
>>>> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
>>>> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
>>>> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
>>>> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
>>>> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
>>>> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.
>>>
>>> so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
>>> your judgment?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was hoping
>>>> people here had some but apparently not.
>>>
>>> some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
>>> to think that matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I guess they just follow
>>>> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
>>>> aren't gods.
>>>
>>> as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.
>>>
>>> bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
>>> advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
>>> offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
>>> correct advice as of no consequence.
>>
>>
>> You seem to have a high opinion of yourself.
>
> because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument? i
> think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.
>
>
>> I also have experience
>> tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine
>
> but you intend to ignore them anyway!
>
>
>> and I think the
>> manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
>> will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
>> experiences.
>
> right.
>
> now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
> it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
> what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
> how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
> respective manufacturers?
>
>
> > Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
>> you.
>
> yeah right!
>
>
>>
>> Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
>> recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
>> conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
>> to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
>> that mfgr.
>
> so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.
>
>
>> So not knowing the truth,
>
> dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
> manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?
>
>
>> I was seeking other's advice
>> besides reading the manual.
>
> why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person here.
> unlike the manufacturer of course.
>
>
>> And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
>> parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????
>
> well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
> on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
> you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're prepared
> to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!
>

i can't resist posting this - courtesy of "androcles" over on
sci.materials. i post it not for strict relevance, but the combination
of partial relevance and timing which i find to be irresistible.

***

"Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated;
you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive,
unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic
subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting cheapskate free advertising
for profit, because you are a troll, because you responded to George
Hammond the complete fruit cake, simply insane or any combination
or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread.

Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because
this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are
left to decide which is most applicable to you.

There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically
admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would
wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill-
filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value
as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the
dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the
same spot and repeat the process eternally.

This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing
that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry
or crackpot theories without challenge.

You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The
kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I
purchase a new computer or hard drive.
Update: the last clearance was 25/12/09. Some individuals have been
restored to the list.

I'm fully aware that you may be so stupid as to reply, but the purpose
of this message is to encourage others to kill-file wits like you.

I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't,
damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day and off."

***

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Xns9CF3B93816CDAtegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> > while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
> > not infallible.
>
>
>
> Ain't that the truth.
>
> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
> plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
> it, as monkeys do.

The dealership I use has many people there, but they come and go. The
guy I use has been there for a long, long time--and I sit and watch him
work, and we chat.

This same dealership has plenty of idiots in the shop, and one
out-and-out crook that they allow to get away with murder. Despite my
utter distaste that they let him stay there, the service manager and I
have a cordial relationship.

If the guy I use were to go anywhere else, I'd follow him--without doubt.

People buy from people, not companies. It's not about the dealership.
It's about the people in it.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <dplsj5153smn7npsj0dp06uhpq0tqd76gb@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> >Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
> >pay attention when the guy shows you details?
> >
> >wow.
>
> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
> right? Then no big deal as I see it.

At the time of purchase, sure. When I get home? I read the owner's
manual. I even mark pages.

Because I just spent TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND FRIGGIN' DOLLARS. Maybe
that's chicken- money to you, but to me it's a bunch.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <dplsj5153smn7npsj0dp06uhpq0tqd76gb@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
> still no problems.

hehehehe--reminds me of my 79 Civic. The oil system had a nifty
self-changing feature. When the oil light flickered during hard right
turns, it was time to add more oil.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

In article <Xns9CF3876075C87thefrogprince@69.16.185.247>,
Larry in AZ <usenet2@DELETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Guy" <void@void.com> said:
>
> > I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
> > What is the proper way?
>
> RTFM.

And a fine manual it is.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:rLydnU8pArz__KPWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
>
>>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>>
>> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
>> not infallible.
>
>
>
> Ain't that the truth.
>
> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
> plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
> it, as monkeys do.
>
> I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The plug
> is not stripped.
>
>

The faithfully torqued (with a torque wrench, to spec, every time,
without exception, since the car was new) drain plug in my '91 Accord
stripped about a year and a half ago. Pretty annoying...and very
unusual. But that's why they make self-tapping replacements, I suppose.

(Note: I recently got a new torque wrench and checked it against the old
one. They're within a foot-pound of each other.)

--
JRE

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 04:54 PM, JRE wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:rLydnU8pArz__KPWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>>>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>>>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>>>
>>> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
>>> not infallible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ain't that the truth.
>>
>> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
>> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening
>> the plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by
>> hanging from it, as monkeys do.
>>
>> I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The
>> plug is not stripped.
>>
>>
>
> The faithfully torqued (with a torque wrench, to spec, every time,
> without exception, since the car was new) drain plug in my '91 Accord
> stripped about a year and a half ago. Pretty annoying...and very
> unusual. But that's why they make self-tapping replacements, I suppose.
>
> (Note: I recently got a new torque wrench and checked it against the old
> one. They're within a foot-pound of each other.)
>

[much to the delight of "crv guy" no doubt] i actually disregard factory
oil pan plug torque. 45N.m is very high for something with a soft
aluminum crush washer under it. i use ~30N.m and have never had a
thread strip, nor a plug loosen or leak. replicate at your own risk.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:50:36 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 01/01/2010 01:40 PM, Guy wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:46:28 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>>>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>>>>> light??
>>>>>
>>>>> wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>>>>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>>>>
>>>>> wow.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
>>>> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
>>>> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
>>>> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>>>>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>>>>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>>>>> associated with that combination.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>>>>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>>>>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>>>>
>>>> I will.
>>>>>
>>>>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>>>>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>>>>
>>>> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
>>>> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
>>>> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
>>>> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
>>>> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
>>>> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
>>>> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
>>>> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.
>>>
>>> so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
>>> your judgment?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was hoping
>>>> people here had some but apparently not.
>>>
>>> some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
>>> to think that matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I guess they just follow
>>>> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
>>>> aren't gods.
>>>
>>> as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.
>>>
>>> bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
>>> advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
>>> offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
>>> correct advice as of no consequence.
>>
>>
>> You seem to have a high opinion of yourself.
>
>because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument?
>i think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.
>
>
>> I also have experience
>> tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine
>
>but you intend to ignore them anyway!
>
>
>> and I think the
>> manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
>> will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
>> experiences.
>
>right.
>
>now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
>it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
>what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
>how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
>respective manufacturers?
>
>
> > Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
>> you.
>
>yeah right!
>
>
>>
>> Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
>> recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
>> conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
>> to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
>> that mfgr.
>
>so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.
>
>
>> So not knowing the truth,
>
>dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
>manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?
>
>
>> I was seeking other's advice
>> besides reading the manual.
>
>why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person
>here. unlike the manufacturer of course.
>
>
>> And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
>> parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????
>
>well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
>on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
>you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're
>prepared to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!


Jim, I give up on trying to explain further. I tried.
Honestly I smiled at some of your reply here. When you say some of
this stuff, please look in the mirror before you hit the enter key.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/01/2010 05:22 PM, Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:50:36 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 01:40 PM, Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:46:28 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/01/2010 12:25 PM, Guy wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:05:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>>>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article<mgurj5leh45saqfk9jdeon1uropu5kjq19@4ax.com >,
>>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I'll read / re-read parts of the manual. I
>>>>>>> remember the sales person mentioning something about a reminder
>>>>>>> light??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spend $25,000 and you don't read the manual first thing, and you don't
>>>>>> pay attention when the guy shows you details?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
>>>>> might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
>>>>> then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
>>>>> right? Then no big deal as I see it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's called Maintenance Minder. It will show a letter/number
>>>>>> combination when maintenance is due, and you look in the owner's manual
>>>>>> (yes, there's that nasty word again) to find out what services are
>>>>>> associated with that combination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you DON'T do is blindly walk into a dealer and tell them "I have B3
>>>>>> due" and let the dealer define what should be done. That's just license
>>>>>> to steal. Do what the owner's manual says.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And ignore the maintenance minder at your own risk, frankly--be that
>>>>>> mechanical risk to the car, or financial risk to your wallet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
>>>>> 3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
>>>>> far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
>>>>> still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
>>>>> you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
>>>>> bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
>>>>> is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
>>>>> here. I think judgement is always a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
>>>> your judgment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping
>>>>> people here had some but apparently not.
>>>>
>>>> some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
>>>> to think that matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I guess they just follow
>>>>> the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
>>>>> aren't gods.
>>>>
>>>> as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.
>>>>
>>>> bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
>>>> advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
>>>> offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
>>>> correct advice as of no consequence.
>>>
>>>
>>> You seem to have a high opinion of yourself.
>>
>> because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument?
>> i think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.
>>
>>
>>> I also have experience
>>> tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine
>>
>> but you intend to ignore them anyway!
>>
>>
>>> and I think the
>>> manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
>>> will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
>>> experiences.
>>
>> right.
>>
>> now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
>> it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
>> what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
>> how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
>> respective manufacturers?
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
>>> you.
>>
>> yeah right!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
>>> recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
>>> conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
>>> to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
>>> that mfgr.
>>
>> so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.
>>
>>
>>> So not knowing the truth,
>>
>> dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
>> manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?
>>
>>
>>> I was seeking other's advice
>>> besides reading the manual.
>>
>> why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person
>> here. unlike the manufacturer of course.
>>
>>
>>> And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
>>> parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????
>>
>> well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
>> on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
>> you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're
>> prepared to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!
>
>
> Jim, I give up on trying to explain further. I tried.
> Honestly I smiled at some of your reply here. When you say some of
> this stuff, please look in the mirror before you hit the enter key.

how can that /possibly/ help you learn something you don't want to know?

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:14:37 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 01/01/2010 04:54 PM, JRE wrote:
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>>> news:rLydnU8pArz__KPWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>>> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>>>>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>>>>
>>>> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
>>>> not infallible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ain't that the truth.
>>>
>>> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
>>> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening
>>> the plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by
>>> hanging from it, as monkeys do.
>>>
>>> I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The
>>> plug is not stripped.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The faithfully torqued (with a torque wrench, to spec, every time,
>> without exception, since the car was new) drain plug in my '91 Accord
>> stripped about a year and a half ago. Pretty annoying...and very
>> unusual. But that's why they make self-tapping replacements, I suppose.
>>
>> (Note: I recently got a new torque wrench and checked it against the old
>> one. They're within a foot-pound of each other.)
>>
>
>[much to the delight of "crv guy" no doubt] i actually disregard factory
>oil pan plug torque. 45N.m is very high for something with a soft
>aluminum crush washer under it. i use ~30N.m and have never had a
>thread strip, nor a plug loosen or leak. replicate at your own risk.


Thanks Jim for your honesty <smile>. At least we can agree here.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:44:34 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <Xns9CF3876075C87thefrogprince@69.16.185.247>,
> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DELETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Guy" <void@void.com> said:
>>
>> > I got a new 2010 CR-V and wife asked me how to break it in properly.
>> > What is the proper way?
>>
>> RTFM.
>
>And a fine manual it is.

A thick one too.