Re: non-interference engine
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:zb6mhvrkh0g7$.dlg@hightech.misfit...
>
>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>with
>>the '98 Corolla I believe), and I am not aware of any chain-related
>>failures
>>in properly maintained cars. Nissan was using chains long before that,
>>although I don't know how reliable they have been.
>
>
> My #2 son had an '82 Toyota Corolla with a chain. We replaced it a few
> months before the engine threw a rod :-(
>
> Researching the chain, we found that it was common for them to eat through
> the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
> those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.

Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:

> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?

It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:

> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?

It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:

> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?

It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>

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The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.

Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html

'Curly'

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>

--------------------------------

The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.

Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html

'Curly'

Re: non-interference engine
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>

--------------------------------

The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.

Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html

'Curly'

Re: non-interference engine
 

I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
lack of parts sales and longevity....

Matt Ion wrote:
>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>with
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>> those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>
>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.

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Re: non-interference engine
 

I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
lack of parts sales and longevity....

Matt Ion wrote:
>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>with
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>> those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>
>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.

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Re: non-interference engine
 

I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
lack of parts sales and longevity....

Matt Ion wrote:
>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>with
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>> those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>
>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.

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Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:

> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I wouldn't doubt it. When I was a kid, my father owned a '77 Dodge Aspen
and our neighbour owned a '79 Plymouth Volare. Both had the slant-6, and
both were major pieces of junk.

Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:

> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I wouldn't doubt it. When I was a kid, my father owned a '77 Dodge Aspen
and our neighbour owned a '79 Plymouth Volare. Both had the slant-6, and
both were major pieces of junk.

Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:

> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I wouldn't doubt it. When I was a kid, my father owned a '77 Dodge Aspen
and our neighbour owned a '79 Plymouth Volare. Both had the slant-6, and
both were major pieces of junk.

Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I'd believe that. I've only ever seen one die - buddy's '69 Valiant threw a rod
doing aboud 100km/h on the freeway. Thankfully the engine didn't seize on the
spot... #6 had a lovely gaping hole with the bottom of of the rod sticking
through about an inch below the sleeve...


> Matt Ion wrote:
>
>>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>>with
>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>>>the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>>>those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>>
>>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.
>
>

Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I'd believe that. I've only ever seen one die - buddy's '69 Valiant threw a rod
doing aboud 100km/h on the freeway. Thankfully the engine didn't seize on the
spot... #6 had a lovely gaping hole with the bottom of of the rod sticking
through about an inch below the sleeve...


> Matt Ion wrote:
>
>>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>>with
>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>>>the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>>>those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>>
>>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.
>
>