Re: non-interference engine
 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
> lack of parts sales and longevity....

I'd believe that. I've only ever seen one die - buddy's '69 Valiant threw a rod
doing aboud 100km/h on the freeway. Thankfully the engine didn't seize on the
spot... #6 had a lovely gaping hole with the bottom of of the rod sticking
through about an inch below the sleeve...


> Matt Ion wrote:
>
>>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting
>>>>with
>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>>>the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
>>>those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.
>>
>>Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
>>engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
>>of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
>>streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
>>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
>>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.
>
>

Re: non-interference engine
 

Michael Rose wrote:
> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks

Yeah, it's an interference engine. Uses a timing chain to reduce risk
of catastrophic failure. Keep that oil clean.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Michael Rose wrote:
> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks

Yeah, it's an interference engine. Uses a timing chain to reduce risk
of catastrophic failure. Keep that oil clean.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Michael Rose wrote:
> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks

Yeah, it's an interference engine. Uses a timing chain to reduce risk
of catastrophic failure. Keep that oil clean.

Re: non-interference engine
 

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> Michael Rose wrote:
>
> > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>
> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
> instead of a belt.

Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

Re: non-interference engine
 

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> Michael Rose wrote:
>
> > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>
> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
> instead of a belt.

Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

Re: non-interference engine
 

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> Michael Rose wrote:
>
> > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
> > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
> > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>
> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
> instead of a belt.

Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Body Roll wrote:

> High Tech Misfit wrote:
>> Michael Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
>>> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
>>> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>>
>> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
>> instead of a belt.
>
> Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
> I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

But that is Saturn, which is crap to begin with. I believe I mentioned
elsewhere that Toyota's 4-cylinders, for example have been chain-driven for
almost a decade, and I am not aware of timing chain failures on those.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Body Roll wrote:

> High Tech Misfit wrote:
>> Michael Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
>>> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
>>> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>>
>> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
>> instead of a belt.
>
> Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
> I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

But that is Saturn, which is crap to begin with. I believe I mentioned
elsewhere that Toyota's 4-cylinders, for example have been chain-driven for
almost a decade, and I am not aware of timing chain failures on those.

Re: non-interference engine
 

Body Roll wrote:

> High Tech Misfit wrote:
>> Michael Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
>>> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
>>> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks
>>
>> I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
>> instead of a belt.
>
> Right. Google "saturn timing chain"
> I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail.

But that is Saturn, which is crap to begin with. I believe I mentioned
elsewhere that Toyota's 4-cylinders, for example have been chain-driven for
almost a decade, and I am not aware of timing chain failures on those.

Re: non-interference engine
 

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:11:55 -0600, 'Curly Q. Links' wrote:

> Joe LaVigne wrote:
>> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
>> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>>
>
> --------------------------------
>
> The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.
>
> Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html
>
> 'Curly'

The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can
tell.

I have never expected a salesman to be extremely knowledgeable about cars.
It really isn't their job. That article is pretty good, but to be honest,
this was my first time at a Honda dealership, and the salesan was the best
auto salesman I have ever dealt with (from a buyers point of view). Didn't
push anything, was helpful in every respect.

I wasn't able to bring the price down, but I didn't expect to considering
it was a Civic Si in a year where they were named car of the year, and the
Si has had so many favorable reviews. They don't last long at sticker, and
true to my expectations, when I tried to negotiate a better price, they
were more than willing to walk away from the sale.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:33:40 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
--Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"

Re: non-interference engine
 

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:11:55 -0600, 'Curly Q. Links' wrote:

> Joe LaVigne wrote:
>> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
>> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>>
>
> --------------------------------
>
> The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.
>
> Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html
>
> 'Curly'

The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can
tell.

I have never expected a salesman to be extremely knowledgeable about cars.
It really isn't their job. That article is pretty good, but to be honest,
this was my first time at a Honda dealership, and the salesan was the best
auto salesman I have ever dealt with (from a buyers point of view). Didn't
push anything, was helpful in every respect.

I wasn't able to bring the price down, but I didn't expect to considering
it was a Civic Si in a year where they were named car of the year, and the
Si has had so many favorable reviews. They don't last long at sticker, and
true to my expectations, when I tried to negotiate a better price, they
were more than willing to walk away from the sale.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:33:40 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
--Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"

Re: non-interference engine
 

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:11:55 -0600, 'Curly Q. Links' wrote:

> Joe LaVigne wrote:
>> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
>> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>>
>
> --------------------------------
>
> The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.
>
> Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:
> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html
>
> 'Curly'

The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can
tell.

I have never expected a salesman to be extremely knowledgeable about cars.
It really isn't their job. That article is pretty good, but to be honest,
this was my first time at a Honda dealership, and the salesan was the best
auto salesman I have ever dealt with (from a buyers point of view). Didn't
push anything, was helpful in every respect.

I wasn't able to bring the price down, but I didn't expect to considering
it was a Civic Si in a year where they were named car of the year, and the
Si has had so many favorable reviews. They don't last long at sticker, and
true to my expectations, when I tried to negotiate a better price, they
were more than willing to walk away from the sale.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:33:40 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
--Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"

Re: non-interference engine
 

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:22:47 -0400, High Tech Misfit wrote:

> Joe LaVigne wrote:
>
>> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
>> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>
> It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.

Thanks.

Does this mean that there is no scheduled maintenance for the chain?

If so, it looks like just fluids, brakes and 100K tune-ups. Not bad for
maintenance costs...

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:37:06 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw.
Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot
of talking... don't they?
Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.
~ "Wizard of Oz "

Re: non-interference engine
 

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:22:47 -0400, High Tech Misfit wrote:

> Joe LaVigne wrote:
>
>> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
>> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?
>
> It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.

Thanks.

Does this mean that there is no scheduled maintenance for the chain?

If so, it looks like just fluids, brakes and 100K tune-ups. Not bad for
maintenance costs...

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:37:06 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw.
Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot
of talking... don't they?
Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.
~ "Wizard of Oz "