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Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:24:10 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, >> "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: >> >>> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >>> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >>> problem is this? >> >> Apparently very common. >> >> Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my >> 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, >> no matter what. >> >> Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell >> it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove >> years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 >> behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. >> >it's the way of the world. speedos are required to be within 10%. >almost everyone opts for the "fast" solution, some more so than others. > [bmw and ford really push the bleeding edge, especially over 70 where >there is no legal accuracy requirement.] > >the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". >[faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] >cops want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference >to fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. The issue is really the odometer which does cost money by accelerating depreciation, maintenance intervals, trade-in intervals and warranty expiration. The odometer and speedometer do not necessarily have the same error. |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:24:10 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, >> "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: >> >>> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >>> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >>> problem is this? >> >> Apparently very common. >> >> Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my >> 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, >> no matter what. >> >> Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell >> it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove >> years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 >> behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. >> >it's the way of the world. speedos are required to be within 10%. >almost everyone opts for the "fast" solution, some more so than others. > [bmw and ford really push the bleeding edge, especially over 70 where >there is no legal accuracy requirement.] > >the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". >[faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] >cops want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference >to fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. The issue is really the odometer which does cost money by accelerating depreciation, maintenance intervals, trade-in intervals and warranty expiration. The odometer and speedometer do not necessarily have the same error. |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:24:10 -0800, jim beam > <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, >>> "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >>>> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >>>> problem is this? >>> Apparently very common. >>> >>> Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my >>> 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, >>> no matter what. >>> >>> Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell >>> it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove >>> years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 >>> behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. >>> >> it's the way of the world. speedos are required to be within 10%. >> almost everyone opts for the "fast" solution, some more so than others. >> [bmw and ford really push the bleeding edge, especially over 70 where >> there is no legal accuracy requirement.] >> >> the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". >> [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] >> cops want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference >> to fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. > > The issue is really the odometer which does cost money by accelerating > depreciation, maintenance intervals, trade-in intervals and warranty > expiration. The odometer and speedometer do not necessarily have the > same error. odometer/speedometer inconsistency is true, but even if the odometer is off, what impact does it have? what's the difference between a 30k mile car and a 33k mile car in value? it will affect you if you lease a car, [which incidentally is a very high proportion of bmw "sales"] and you go over your lease mileage limits, but again, the manufacturer wins - no incentive for them to erode the 10% "slop" they're allowed. and how are you going to "prove" a problem? "sorry sir, you can't have had your tires inflated properly." |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:24:10 -0800, jim beam > <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, >>> "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >>>> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >>>> problem is this? >>> Apparently very common. >>> >>> Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my >>> 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, >>> no matter what. >>> >>> Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell >>> it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove >>> years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 >>> behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. >>> >> it's the way of the world. speedos are required to be within 10%. >> almost everyone opts for the "fast" solution, some more so than others. >> [bmw and ford really push the bleeding edge, especially over 70 where >> there is no legal accuracy requirement.] >> >> the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". >> [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] >> cops want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference >> to fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. > > The issue is really the odometer which does cost money by accelerating > depreciation, maintenance intervals, trade-in intervals and warranty > expiration. The odometer and speedometer do not necessarily have the > same error. odometer/speedometer inconsistency is true, but even if the odometer is off, what impact does it have? what's the difference between a 30k mile car and a 33k mile car in value? it will affect you if you lease a car, [which incidentally is a very high proportion of bmw "sales"] and you go over your lease mileage limits, but again, the manufacturer wins - no incentive for them to erode the 10% "slop" they're allowed. and how are you going to "prove" a problem? "sorry sir, you can't have had your tires inflated properly." |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:24:10 -0800, jim beam > <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, >>> "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >>>> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >>>> problem is this? >>> Apparently very common. >>> >>> Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my >>> 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, >>> no matter what. >>> >>> Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell >>> it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove >>> years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 >>> behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. >>> >> it's the way of the world. speedos are required to be within 10%. >> almost everyone opts for the "fast" solution, some more so than others. >> [bmw and ford really push the bleeding edge, especially over 70 where >> there is no legal accuracy requirement.] >> >> the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". >> [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] >> cops want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference >> to fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. > > The issue is really the odometer which does cost money by accelerating > depreciation, maintenance intervals, trade-in intervals and warranty > expiration. The odometer and speedometer do not necessarily have the > same error. odometer/speedometer inconsistency is true, but even if the odometer is off, what impact does it have? what's the difference between a 30k mile car and a 33k mile car in value? it will affect you if you lease a car, [which incidentally is a very high proportion of bmw "sales"] and you go over your lease mileage limits, but again, the manufacturer wins - no incentive for them to erode the 10% "slop" they're allowed. and how are you going to "prove" a problem? "sorry sir, you can't have had your tires inflated properly." |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:32:36 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, > "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: > >> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >> problem is this? > > Apparently very common. > > Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my > 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, > no matter what. > > Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell > it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove > years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 > behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. Got a Garmin c320 GPS for Christmas. Checked my speedo on a long trip yesterday, and much like the street-side police checks, the GPS shows my speed as within 1MPH at all ranges. They certainly have gotten better over the years! |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:32:36 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, > "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: > >> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >> problem is this? > > Apparently very common. > > Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my > 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, > no matter what. > > Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell > it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove > years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 > behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. Got a Garmin c320 GPS for Christmas. Checked my speedo on a long trip yesterday, and much like the street-side police checks, the GPS shows my speed as within 1MPH at all ranges. They certainly have gotten better over the years! |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:32:36 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <12p6q33qlhcg0ac@corp.supernews.com>, > "Bill Radio" <Wireless@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote: > >> I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% >> error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a >> problem is this? > > Apparently very common. > > Many years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS, I tested it against my > 92 Civic--and found that the Civic's speedometer was showing 5mph fast, > no matter what. > > Fast forward to today. I'm driving my mother's 94 Civic home to sell > it; interestingly enough, I'm driving in exactly the same place I drove > years ago when I tested my 92...and the GPS shows that my mother's 94 > behaves exactly the same way as my 92 did. Got a Garmin c320 GPS for Christmas. Checked my speedo on a long trip yesterday, and much like the street-side police checks, the GPS shows my speed as within 1MPH at all ranges. They certainly have gotten better over the years! |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:4o6dncLB0rhG4wXYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". > [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] cops > want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference to > fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. I read a sci-fi short story many years ago called "The Marching Morons." (IIRC) One of the major facets of the theme of a populace ignorant of the stupidity of their lives was found in their cars. The protagonist came from present day to find himself in that future, and when he was driven somewhere in a "modern" car he noticed irregularities. The speedometer swiftly hit 300 mph and there were sparks blowing past the window, but the scenery moved past at about 35 mph and the time it took to get to their destination was more consistent with 35 mph than 300. But... everybody was happy! Mike |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:4o6dncLB0rhG4wXYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". > [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] cops > want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference to > fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. I read a sci-fi short story many years ago called "The Marching Morons." (IIRC) One of the major facets of the theme of a populace ignorant of the stupidity of their lives was found in their cars. The protagonist came from present day to find himself in that future, and when he was driven somewhere in a "modern" car he noticed irregularities. The speedometer swiftly hit 300 mph and there were sparks blowing past the window, but the scenery moved past at about 35 mph and the time it took to get to their destination was more consistent with 35 mph than 300. But... everybody was happy! Mike |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:4o6dncLB0rhG4wXYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > the reasoning is quite simple. customers want their car to be "fast". > [faster 0-60, bmw drivers bowling along at what they think is 85...] cops > want cars to be "slow". everybody's happy. it makes no difference to > fuel economy. it stops you getting tickets. i see no problem. I read a sci-fi short story many years ago called "The Marching Morons." (IIRC) One of the major facets of the theme of a populace ignorant of the stupidity of their lives was found in their cars. The protagonist came from present day to find himself in that future, and when he was driven somewhere in a "modern" car he noticed irregularities. The speedometer swiftly hit 300 mph and there were sparks blowing past the window, but the scenery moved past at about 35 mph and the time it took to get to their destination was more consistent with 35 mph than 300. But... everybody was happy! Mike |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
They filed the suit so the lawyers could collect $9.8 million in legal
fees from Honda! I'm sure that if Honda odometers consistently read LOW, the same four lawyers would file in behalf of purchasers of used Hondas. Texas' tort reform has chased these small fry lawyers into federal court. Al jim beam wrote: > Bill Radio wrote: > > I just received paperwork from the feds concerning a suit that will acheive > > Class Action status on Accord odometers. Of all cars, our '05 Accord is the > > most accurate! I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% > > error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a > > problem is this? If I switch tire sizes, it all goes out the window, > > anyway. > > > > Anyone else question their odometer? > > > > Bill Radio > > > > > i can't understand why anyone would launch a lawsuit on this in the > first place, let alone one that complains about where cars are > /accurate/. i say this is an anti-import troll. |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
They filed the suit so the lawyers could collect $9.8 million in legal
fees from Honda! I'm sure that if Honda odometers consistently read LOW, the same four lawyers would file in behalf of purchasers of used Hondas. Texas' tort reform has chased these small fry lawyers into federal court. Al jim beam wrote: > Bill Radio wrote: > > I just received paperwork from the feds concerning a suit that will acheive > > Class Action status on Accord odometers. Of all cars, our '05 Accord is the > > most accurate! I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% > > error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a > > problem is this? If I switch tire sizes, it all goes out the window, > > anyway. > > > > Anyone else question their odometer? > > > > Bill Radio > > > > > i can't understand why anyone would launch a lawsuit on this in the > first place, let alone one that complains about where cars are > /accurate/. i say this is an anti-import troll. |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
They filed the suit so the lawyers could collect $9.8 million in legal
fees from Honda! I'm sure that if Honda odometers consistently read LOW, the same four lawyers would file in behalf of purchasers of used Hondas. Texas' tort reform has chased these small fry lawyers into federal court. Al jim beam wrote: > Bill Radio wrote: > > I just received paperwork from the feds concerning a suit that will acheive > > Class Action status on Accord odometers. Of all cars, our '05 Accord is the > > most accurate! I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% > > error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a > > problem is this? If I switch tire sizes, it all goes out the window, > > anyway. > > > > Anyone else question their odometer? > > > > Bill Radio > > > > > i can't understand why anyone would launch a lawsuit on this in the > first place, let alone one that complains about where cars are > /accurate/. i say this is an anti-import troll. |
Re: Odometer Class Action Suit?
They filed the suit so the lawyers could collect $9.8 million in legal
fees from Honda! I'm sure that if Honda odometers consistently read LOW, the same four lawyers would file in behalf of purchasers of used Hondas. Texas' tort reform has chased these small fry lawyers into federal court. Al jim beam wrote: > Bill Radio wrote: > > I just received paperwork from the feds concerning a suit that will acheive > > Class Action status on Accord odometers. Of all cars, our '05 Accord is the > > most accurate! I do, however, have a different car that has a similar 3-4% > > error on the speedometer & odometer. So, now I'm wondering how common a > > problem is this? If I switch tire sizes, it all goes out the window, > > anyway. > > > > Anyone else question their odometer? > > > > Bill Radio > > > > > i can't understand why anyone would launch a lawsuit on this in the > first place, let alone one that complains about where cars are > /accurate/. i say this is an anti-import troll. |
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