OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4983328

Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
billion in taxes.

As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
american for 5 months.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4983328
>
> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
> billion in taxes.
>
> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
> american for 5 months.
>
>

troll.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:WrKdneKLLY8r2djVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4983328
>>
>> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
>> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
>> billion in taxes.
>>
>> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
>> american for 5 months.
>>
>>
>
> troll.

For posting an OT? Geeze, everyone is a troll these days when they don't
post something we like.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:40:50 GMT, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!"
<N00One187@NoWhere.Com> wrote:

>
>"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>news:WrKdneKLLY8r2djVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@speakeasy.n et...
>> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4983328
>>>
>>> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
>>> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
>>> billion in taxes.
>>>
>>> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
>>> american for 5 months.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> troll.
>
>For posting an OT? Geeze, everyone is a troll these days when they don't
>post something we like.
>

The thing that I find amazing is that Cheney is apparently correct
about something.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:18:46 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
>> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
>> billion in taxes.
>>
>> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
>> american for 5 months.
>>
>>
>
>troll.

Cheney? Too tall to be a troll, except perhaps the large ones you find
in the Hobbit. Perhaps more of a goblin, or maybe one of those
oversize orcs.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

CHENEY SUCKS !!!!!!!!!


"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4j4b44p78guigijao149md52oeoo3f0ndb@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:18:46 -0700, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>>> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
>>> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
>>> billion in taxes.
>>>
>>> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
>>> american for 5 months.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>troll.
>
> Cheney? Too tall to be a troll, except perhaps the large ones you find
> in the Hobbit. Perhaps more of a goblin, or maybe one of those
> oversize orcs.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

Cheny is a wad, but he is right. Increasing demand does not lower
the price.

What we should do is raise the tax to cut wasteful consumption. Then
offset the increase by giving a limited tax credit to family tax payers
with under 100k net income (single filers 50k,) $0 credit for those
over. That way we keep the tax of the backs of those that can least
afford it and punish the Hummer drivers. This will spur growth of
Hybrid and alternative fuels. You know damn well that if it hurts the
rich that they will start doing something about it. Increase the tax
monthly until they cry uncle.


D. wrote:
> CHENEY SUCKS !!!!!!!!!
>
>
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4j4b44p78guigijao149md52oeoo3f0ndb@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:18:46 -0700, jim beam
>> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
>>>> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
>>>> billion in taxes.
>>>>
>>>> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
>>>> american for 5 months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> troll.
>> Cheney? Too tall to be a troll, except perhaps the large ones you find
>> in the Hobbit. Perhaps more of a goblin, or maybe one of those
>> oversize orcs.
>
>

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

Just Me (remove <nospam> to reply) wrote:

> What we should do is raise the tax to cut wasteful consumption. Then
> offset the increase by giving a limited tax credit to family tax payers
> with under 100k net income (single filers 50k,) $0 credit for those
> over. That way we keep the tax of the backs of those that can least
> afford it and punish the Hummer drivers. This will spur growth of
> Hybrid and alternative fuels. You know damn well that if it hurts the
> rich that they will start doing something about it. Increase the tax
> monthly until they cry uncle.

You're forgetting/ignoring the serious overhead cost of employing people
(within gubmint) to administer your system that does nothing but move
money around. The amount of money that goes in to be re-distributed
(for punishment and reward) will come out of the other end of the
gubmint pipeline as a much smaller amount and will be a net loss to the
economy. For the same reason, you can't hook a motor and a generator
together, start them spinning, and feed the gerneator output to the
input of the motor and expect them to keep spinning (much less create a
net gain of power). Inefficiencies in the gubmint of administering such
a program are probably worse than in my motor/generator analogy (for
reference, see "perpetual motion").

Like most liberal schemes, there will be pretended "unintended
consequences" and a net unavoidable loss to the economy and the quality
of life. Liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of it's stated
intent (better quality of life vs. degraded quality of life).

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On 2008-06-04, Just Me (remove <nospam> to reply) <2000-nospam-cam@verizon.net> wrote:
> Cheny is a wad, but he is right. Increasing demand does not lower
> the price.
>
> What we should do is raise the tax to cut wasteful consumption. Then
> offset the increase by giving a limited tax credit to family tax payers
> with under 100k net income (single filers 50k,) $0 credit for those
> over. That way we keep the tax of the backs of those that can least
> afford it and punish the Hummer drivers. This will spur growth of
> Hybrid and alternative fuels. You know damn well that if it hurts the
> rich that they will start doing something about it. Increase the tax
> monthly until they cry uncle.

The solution to any problem is NEVER more taxes. It is not the
government's job to regulate the actions of the people.

The solution is to let the price continue to be determined by supply
and demand. If the price gets so high that people start actually
curbing their use of fuel, the price will drop. It has probably
already hit that point, and the price will likely settle around $3.75
per gallon for regular unleaded.

The oil companies have no responsibility to the customer other than to
provide the product at whatever price people are willing to pay for
it. The price at which they are able to sell all the oil they want
for the most amount of cash. This is good for the stockholders, and
therefore exactly what the executives should do.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:43:46 -0500, Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com>
wrote:

>On 2008-06-04, Just Me (remove <nospam> to reply) <2000-nospam-cam@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Cheny is a wad, but he is right. Increasing demand does not lower
>> the price.
>>
>> What we should do is raise the tax to cut wasteful consumption. Then
>> offset the increase by giving a limited tax credit to family tax payers
>> with under 100k net income (single filers 50k,) $0 credit for those
>> over. That way we keep the tax of the backs of those that can least
>> afford it and punish the Hummer drivers. This will spur growth of
>> Hybrid and alternative fuels. You know damn well that if it hurts the
>> rich that they will start doing something about it. Increase the tax
>> monthly until they cry uncle.
>
>The solution to any problem is NEVER more taxes. It is not the
>government's job to regulate the actions of the people.
>
>The solution is to let the price continue to be determined by supply
>and demand. If the price gets so high that people start actually
>curbing their use of fuel, the price will drop. It has probably
>already hit that point, and the price will likely settle around $3.75
>per gallon for regular unleaded.
>

One large factor in rising gas prices is the falling dollar. It's
falling because we're spending a $trillion on a war to take over Iraq.

And of course it's the government's job to regulate the actions of
people. That's why we have a government. Otherwise we have a free for
all.

I don't mind tax and spend Democrats; that's the way government is
supposed to operate. My problem is the borrow and spend Republicans.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

In message news:vclf44d99iqbindik9i3fanbclnblnlmmt@4ax.com, dgk
<dgk@somewhere.com> burned some brain cells writing:

> And of course it's the government's job to regulate the actions of
> people. That's why we have a government.

Thomas Jefferson on Line One. And he's pissed.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On 05 Jun 2008 12:28:59 GMT, Klark Kent <stewart@copeland.com`> wrote:

>> And of course it's the government's job to regulate the actions of
>> people. That's why we have a government.
>
>Thomas Jefferson on Line One. And he's pissed.

He's been pissed since Bush started ignoring his duty to protect the
Constitution = and in fact, directly violating it - around 2001.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On Jun 3, 1:40 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <N00One...@NoWhere.Com>
wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>
> news:WrKdneKLLY8r2djVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> > Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> >>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4983328
>
> >> Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
> >> between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
> >> billion in taxes.
>
> >> As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
> >> american for 5 months.
>
> > troll.
>
> For posting an OT? Geeze, everyone is a troll these days when they don't
> post something we like.

No, you're a troll because you post crap and then never get back
involved in the discussion. And also because you cross-post to a
million different groups.

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:43:46 -0500, Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com>
wrote:

>The oil companies have no responsibility to the customer other than to
>provide the product at whatever price people are willing to pay for
>it. The price at which they are able to sell all the oil they want
>for the most amount of cash. This is good for the stockholders, and
>therefore exactly what the executives should do.

However, collusion for the purpose of monopoly is still illegal on the
books of the US (although not enforced at all since January of 2000).
Note the Enron case in CA and the current US investigation of such
alleged actions. When "product at a price" moves into "manipulate the
market" then there is an issue. Those same executives bear
responsibility for that too.

But, at the end of the day, some of us still believe in honesty,
integrity, and doing the right thing for our customers our country,
and our society - other (like you I have to guess) believe that greed
is the guiding principle and model for our lives.

Re: OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid
 

In message news:c09g44dlgrj7jl5dvm3m99dhs34nd4sjrf@4ax.com, still just me
<wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> burned some brain cells writing:

> On 05 Jun 2008 12:28:59 GMT, Klark Kent <stewart@copeland.com`> wrote:
>
>>> And of course it's the government's job to regulate the actions of
>>> people. That's why we have a government.
>>
>>Thomas Jefferson on Line One. And he's pissed.
>
> He's been pissed since Bush started ignoring his duty to protect the
> Constitution = and in fact, directly violating it - around 2001.

It started long before then.