Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need
to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine
which one you like the best.

You are looking at very different products though however. The
Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars"
versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...
>
>Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need
to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine
which one you like the best.

You are looking at very different products though however. The
Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars"
versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...
>
>Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me.

Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
Trans fluid change every 15,000
Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
break-in change)
Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
T-belt at 90,000.


nospam wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me.

Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
Trans fluid change every 15,000
Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
break-in change)
Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
T-belt at 90,000.


nospam wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me.

Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
Trans fluid change every 15,000
Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
break-in change)
Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
T-belt at 90,000.


nospam wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me.

Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
Trans fluid change every 15,000
Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
break-in change)
Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
T-belt at 90,000.


nospam wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...

Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
it's not really in that group.

The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.

If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.

Good luck and enjoy.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...

Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
it's not really in that group.

The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.

If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.

Good luck and enjoy.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...

Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
it's not really in that group.

The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.

If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.

Good luck and enjoy.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>and 4Runners...

Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
it's not really in that group.

The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.

If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.

Good luck and enjoy.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble
free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas
mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of
the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on
'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive
vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the
cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some
small print that negates your qualification for a claim.
I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good
then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining
factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle.
My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It
has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I
believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point.
Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could
have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was
away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had
to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line.
There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other
GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't
even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar
Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and
Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I
wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my
overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup
truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to
use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car
like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper.
Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage.
nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble
free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas
mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of
the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on
'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive
vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the
cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some
small print that negates your qualification for a claim.
I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good
then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining
factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle.
My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It
has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I
believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point.
Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could
have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was
away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had
to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line.
There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other
GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't
even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar
Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and
Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I
wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my
overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup
truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to
use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car
like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper.
Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage.
nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble
free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas
mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of
the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on
'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive
vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the
cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some
small print that negates your qualification for a claim.
I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good
then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining
factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle.
My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It
has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I
believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point.
Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could
have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was
away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had
to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line.
There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other
GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't
even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar
Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and
Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I
wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my
overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup
truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to
use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car
like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper.
Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage.
nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble
free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas
mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of
the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on
'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive
vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the
cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some
small print that negates your qualification for a claim.
I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good
then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining
factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle.
My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It
has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I
believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point.
Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could
have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was
away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had
to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line.
There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other
GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't
even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar
Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and
Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I
wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my
overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup
truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to
use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car
like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper.
Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage.
nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

That's allot of oil change maintenance.

Tom.
"Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
> My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
> problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
> 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
> Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
> ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
me.
>
> Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
> Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
> Trans fluid change every 15,000
> Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
> break-in change)
> Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
> Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
> T-belt at 90,000.
>
>
> nospam wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> > and 4Runners...
> >
> > Any help/suggestions?
>