Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

That's allot of oil change maintenance.

Tom.
"Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
> My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
> problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
> 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
> Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
> ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
me.
>
> Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
> Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
> Trans fluid change every 15,000
> Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
> break-in change)
> Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
> Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
> T-belt at 90,000.
>
>
> nospam wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> > and 4Runners...
> >
> > Any help/suggestions?
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

That's allot of oil change maintenance.

Tom.
"Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
> My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
> problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
> 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
> Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
> ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
me.
>
> Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
> Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
> Trans fluid change every 15,000
> Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
> break-in change)
> Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
> Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
> T-belt at 90,000.
>
>
> nospam wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> > and 4Runners...
> >
> > Any help/suggestions?
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

That's allot of oil change maintenance.

Tom.
"Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
> My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
> problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
> 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
> Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
> ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
me.
>
> Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
> Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
> Trans fluid change every 15,000
> Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
> break-in change)
> Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
> Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
> T-belt at 90,000.
>
>
> nospam wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> > and 4Runners...
> >
> > Any help/suggestions?
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years.

tflfb wrote:
> That's allot of oil change maintenance.
>
> Tom.
> "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
>>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
>>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
>>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
>>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
>
> me.
>
>>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
>>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
>>Trans fluid change every 15,000
>>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
>>break-in change)
>>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
>>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
>>T-belt at 90,000.
>>
>>
>>nospam wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>>and 4Runners...
>>>
>>>Any help/suggestions?
>>
>
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years.

tflfb wrote:
> That's allot of oil change maintenance.
>
> Tom.
> "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
>>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
>>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
>>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
>>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
>
> me.
>
>>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
>>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
>>Trans fluid change every 15,000
>>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
>>break-in change)
>>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
>>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
>>T-belt at 90,000.
>>
>>
>>nospam wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>>and 4Runners...
>>>
>>>Any help/suggestions?
>>
>
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years.

tflfb wrote:
> That's allot of oil change maintenance.
>
> Tom.
> "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
>>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
>>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
>>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
>>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
>
> me.
>
>>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
>>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
>>Trans fluid change every 15,000
>>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
>>break-in change)
>>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
>>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
>>T-belt at 90,000.
>>
>>
>>nospam wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>>and 4Runners...
>>>
>>>Any help/suggestions?
>>
>
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years.

tflfb wrote:
> That's allot of oil change maintenance.
>
> Tom.
> "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>
>>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
>>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned
>>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our
>>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of
>>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to
>
> me.
>
>>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750
>>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500
>>Trans fluid change every 15,000
>>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile
>>break-in change)
>>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000.
>>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO.
>>T-belt at 90,000.
>>
>>
>>nospam wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>>and 4Runners...
>>>
>>>Any help/suggestions?
>>
>
>

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

See Consumer Reports in any library.

Pilot rated on top! And I love mine!

--
Bob
Mill Hall PA



"nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

See Consumer Reports in any library.

Pilot rated on top! And I love mine!

--
Bob
Mill Hall PA



"nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

See Consumer Reports in any library.

Pilot rated on top! And I love mine!

--
Bob
Mill Hall PA



"nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

See Consumer Reports in any library.

Pilot rated on top! And I love mine!

--
Bob
Mill Hall PA



"nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message
news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
> buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
> and 4Runners...
>
> Any help/suggestions?

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:10:59 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>and 4Runners...
>
>Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
>Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
>just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
>truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
>badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
>it's not really in that group.
>
>The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
>Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
>are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
>and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
>with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
>(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
>Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
>they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
>new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
>(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.
>
>If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
>dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
>overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.
>
>Good luck and enjoy.

All great points, indeed. But about the MT mag's comparison test,
perhaps Honda felt they didn't need to submit for another comparo when
it was already done, coming out ahead of the Murano in this test,
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=4345

The Pilot came out ahead of the Murano in this test as well,
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
and well ahead of the Highlander. Curiously enough though, the Pilot
wasn't the first in this test. But seriously, a Mitsubishi over a
Honda? I'll take the Pilot over Endeavour anyday.

Also, check out NHSTA and IIHS' satey and crash ratings on various
SUV's, here,
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...ary_midsuv.htm and
here, http://www.nhtsa.org/NCAP/Cars/2003SUVs.html.

Granted, these are all '03 models, but I feel pretty good about
driving the Pilot.

Also, make sure to check out www.honda-pilot.org. It's a great
resource for Pilot owners and potential owners.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:10:59 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>and 4Runners...
>
>Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
>Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
>just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
>truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
>badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
>it's not really in that group.
>
>The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
>Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
>are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
>and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
>with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
>(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
>Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
>they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
>new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
>(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.
>
>If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
>dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
>overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.
>
>Good luck and enjoy.

All great points, indeed. But about the MT mag's comparison test,
perhaps Honda felt they didn't need to submit for another comparo when
it was already done, coming out ahead of the Murano in this test,
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=4345

The Pilot came out ahead of the Murano in this test as well,
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
and well ahead of the Highlander. Curiously enough though, the Pilot
wasn't the first in this test. But seriously, a Mitsubishi over a
Honda? I'll take the Pilot over Endeavour anyday.

Also, check out NHSTA and IIHS' satey and crash ratings on various
SUV's, here,
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...ary_midsuv.htm and
here, http://www.nhtsa.org/NCAP/Cars/2003SUVs.html.

Granted, these are all '03 models, but I feel pretty good about
driving the Pilot.

Also, make sure to check out www.honda-pilot.org. It's a great
resource for Pilot owners and potential owners.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:10:59 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>and 4Runners...
>
>Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
>Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
>just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
>truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
>badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
>it's not really in that group.
>
>The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
>Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
>are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
>and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
>with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
>(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
>Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
>they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
>new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
>(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.
>
>If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
>dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
>overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.
>
>Good luck and enjoy.

All great points, indeed. But about the MT mag's comparison test,
perhaps Honda felt they didn't need to submit for another comparo when
it was already done, coming out ahead of the Murano in this test,
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=4345

The Pilot came out ahead of the Murano in this test as well,
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
and well ahead of the Highlander. Curiously enough though, the Pilot
wasn't the first in this test. But seriously, a Mitsubishi over a
Honda? I'll take the Pilot over Endeavour anyday.

Also, check out NHSTA and IIHS' satey and crash ratings on various
SUV's, here,
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...ary_midsuv.htm and
here, http://www.nhtsa.org/NCAP/Cars/2003SUVs.html.

Granted, these are all '03 models, but I feel pretty good about
driving the Pilot.

Also, make sure to check out www.honda-pilot.org. It's a great
resource for Pilot owners and potential owners.

Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:10:59 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering
>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs,
>>and 4Runners...
>
>Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the
>Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also
>just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a
>truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the
>badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so
>it's not really in that group.
>
>The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota
>Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them
>are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend
>and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago
>with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano
>(Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The
>Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who
>they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the
>new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space
>(the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th.
>
>If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three
>dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably
>overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for.
>
>Good luck and enjoy.

All great points, indeed. But about the MT mag's comparison test,
perhaps Honda felt they didn't need to submit for another comparo when
it was already done, coming out ahead of the Murano in this test,
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=4345

The Pilot came out ahead of the Murano in this test as well,
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
and well ahead of the Highlander. Curiously enough though, the Pilot
wasn't the first in this test. But seriously, a Mitsubishi over a
Honda? I'll take the Pilot over Endeavour anyday.

Also, check out NHSTA and IIHS' satey and crash ratings on various
SUV's, here,
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...ary_midsuv.htm and
here, http://www.nhtsa.org/NCAP/Cars/2003SUVs.html.

Granted, these are all '03 models, but I feel pretty good about
driving the Pilot.

Also, make sure to check out www.honda-pilot.org. It's a great
resource for Pilot owners and potential owners.