Power windows - '04 Accord
07-19-2004, 10:52 AM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
On 7/18/04 10:27 PM, in article
WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com, "LBJGH"
<bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote:
> You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
> controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
> design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car
> designed properly.
>
And the corollary to the point is that most other car makers don't do it
this way. The expected behavior is when the switch is thrown, the controls
don't work on the other windows, but they do on the driver's control.
Somehow Honda missed the boat on this (Nissan, too). It must be a Japanese
thing.
>
> "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
> telling
>> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the
> master
>> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"
>>
>> Hugh Graham
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com...
>>> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
>> windows
>>>> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the
>> other
>>>> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
>>>> something here?
>>>
>>> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
>>> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
>>> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
>>> his switch and the driver using his switch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
>>>> master switch now?
>>>
>>> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
>>> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.
>>>
>>
>>
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WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com, "LBJGH"
<bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote:
> You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
> controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
> design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car
> designed properly.
>
And the corollary to the point is that most other car makers don't do it
this way. The expected behavior is when the switch is thrown, the controls
don't work on the other windows, but they do on the driver's control.
Somehow Honda missed the boat on this (Nissan, too). It must be a Japanese
thing.
>
> "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
> telling
>> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the
> master
>> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"
>>
>> Hugh Graham
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com...
>>> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
>> windows
>>>> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the
>> other
>>>> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
>>>> something here?
>>>
>>> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
>>> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
>>> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
>>> his switch and the driver using his switch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
>>>> master switch now?
>>>
>>> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
>>> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.
>>>
>>
>>
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07-20-2004, 07:58 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>
>>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the
>>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it.
>> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do
>> and when then the right way round.
>
> 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid
> the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do,
> why didn't Honda do it?
I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and
after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a
parenting newsgroup.
>
> In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or
> otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over
> his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's
> window switches should EVER be off. Period.
>
> That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about
> the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO
> circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work.
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>
>>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the
>>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it.
>> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do
>> and when then the right way round.
>
> 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid
> the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do,
> why didn't Honda do it?
I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and
after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a
parenting newsgroup.
>
> In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or
> otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over
> his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's
> window switches should EVER be off. Period.
>
> That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about
> the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO
> circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work.
07-20-2004, 07:58 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>
>>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the
>>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it.
>> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do
>> and when then the right way round.
>
> 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid
> the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do,
> why didn't Honda do it?
I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and
after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a
parenting newsgroup.
>
> In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or
> otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over
> his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's
> window switches should EVER be off. Period.
>
> That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about
> the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO
> circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work.
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>
>>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the
>>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it.
>> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do
>> and when then the right way round.
>
> 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid
> the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do,
> why didn't Honda do it?
I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and
after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a
parenting newsgroup.
>
> In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or
> otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over
> his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's
> window switches should EVER be off. Period.
>
> That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about
> the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO
> circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work.
07-21-2004, 10:51 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to
us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it
surprising that your post is not true.
Perhaps yours is broken.
CaptainKrunch
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
>
>
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window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to
us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it
surprising that your post is not true.
Perhaps yours is broken.
CaptainKrunch
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
>
>
>
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07-21-2004, 10:51 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to
us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it
surprising that your post is not true.
Perhaps yours is broken.
CaptainKrunch
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
>
>
>
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window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to
us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it
surprising that your post is not true.
Perhaps yours is broken.
CaptainKrunch
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
>
>
>
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07-21-2004, 11:02 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
engaged?
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
news:gpadnSZt_7yMsWLdRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
> window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
> operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
> work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
> features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it
to
> us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found
it
> surprising that your post is not true.
>
> Perhaps yours is broken.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> when
> > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
> window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
> operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
> work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
> features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it
to
> us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found
it
> surprising that your post is not true.
>
> Perhaps yours is broken.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> when
> > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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07-21-2004, 11:02 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
engaged?
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
news:gpadnSZt_7yMsWLdRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
> window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
> operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
> work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
> features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it
to
> us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found
it
> surprising that your post is not true.
>
> Perhaps yours is broken.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> when
> > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
> window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be
> operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did
> work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the
> features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it
to
> us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found
it
> surprising that your post is not true.
>
> Perhaps yours is broken.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> when
> > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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07-22-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:<L6GLc.1122027$Ar.623865@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> engaged?
>
no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
Chip
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> engaged?
>
no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
Chip
07-22-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:<L6GLc.1122027$Ar.623865@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> engaged?
>
no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
Chip
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> engaged?
>
no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
Chip
07-23-2004, 09:55 AM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Yes, we can. 04 Accord V6, I swear, when I depress the master the three
other windows do not operate while the drivers window operates normally.
"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
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> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> > CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> > engaged?
> >
>
>
> no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
> Chip
other windows do not operate while the drivers window operates normally.
"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
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> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> > CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> > engaged?
> >
>
>
> no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
> Chip
07-23-2004, 09:55 AM
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Yes, we can. 04 Accord V6, I swear, when I depress the master the three
other windows do not operate while the drivers window operates normally.
"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
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> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> > CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> > engaged?
> >
>
>
> no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
> Chip
other windows do not operate while the drivers window operates normally.
"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
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> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> > CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
> > engaged?
> >
>
>
> no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004.
> Chip
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