Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-69FBC6.20032029092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <brALi.1181$sw6.439@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "CamryMan98" <CamryMan@camry.com> wrote:
>
>
> Warranty work pays a pittance compared to customer pay work. Yeah, they
> can balk at it, and/or do it badly, or give it to the worst guy in the
> shop, or whatever.
Not true! Honda warranty pays the going rate for the area. Usually at least
95% of the posted door rate. Warranty parts also get a similar return.
Considering the negative aspect of receiving poor survey feedback, a dealer
would be more concerned about their warranty work thereby getting the best
techs to do the repair.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <46fff348$0$32474$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Warranty work pays a pittance compared to customer pay work. Yeah, they
> > can balk at it, and/or do it badly, or give it to the worst guy in the
> > shop, or whatever.
> Not true! Honda warranty pays the going rate for the area.

Nope.

They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
area.

Trust me.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <46fff348$0$32474$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Warranty work pays a pittance compared to customer pay work. Yeah, they
> > can balk at it, and/or do it badly, or give it to the worst guy in the
> > shop, or whatever.
> Not true! Honda warranty pays the going rate for the area.

Nope.

They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
area.

Trust me.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-DB1308.15212330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <46fff348$0$32474$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Warranty work pays a pittance compared to customer pay work. Yeah,
>> > they
>> > can balk at it, and/or do it badly, or give it to the worst guy in the
>> > shop, or whatever.
>> Not true! Honda warranty pays the going rate for the area.
>
> Nope.
>
> They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
> area.

> Trust me.
Nope!
They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
prescribed job. It's the dealer who creates his own schedule over and above
what is recommended. It's what gives gouging dealers a bad name

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-DB1308.15212330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <46fff348$0$32474$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Warranty work pays a pittance compared to customer pay work. Yeah,
>> > they
>> > can balk at it, and/or do it badly, or give it to the worst guy in the
>> > shop, or whatever.
>> Not true! Honda warranty pays the going rate for the area.
>
> Nope.
>
> They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
> area.

> Trust me.
Nope!
They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
prescribed job. It's the dealer who creates his own schedule over and above
what is recommended. It's what gives gouging dealers a bad name

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Techtech,

Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer the
honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda what
so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell will
be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.

Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda. For
the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
yours. Good luck.


<techtechxxxx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> vehicle. I want a manual.
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Techtech,

Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer the
honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda what
so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell will
be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.

Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda. For
the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
yours. Good luck.


<techtechxxxx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> vehicle. I want a manual.
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:

> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
> > area.
>
> > Trust me.
> Nope!
> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
> prescribed job.

TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
current for pay customers off the street.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:

> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
> > area.
>
> > Trust me.
> Nope!
> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
> prescribed job.

TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
current for pay customers off the street.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
true?

On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Techtech,
>
> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer the
> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda what
> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell will
> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>
> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda. For
> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
> yours. Good luck.
>
> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> > vehicle. I want a manual.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
true?

On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Techtech,
>
> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer the
> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda what
> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell will
> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>
> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda. For
> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
> yours. Good luck.
>
> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> > vehicle. I want a manual.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
They pay the prevailing rate in the area.
A dealer submits a request for a rate increase based upon surveying other
dealers (not just Honda) in the area and an audit of the applying
dealerships effective labor rate. From those figures and the actual warranty
rate sought, the District Rep submits to national and a decision is rendered
..
I've worked in 3 Honda dealerships since 1973. My current (23 years) Service
Dept's door rate is $99 per hour (we are on the lower side in our area) and
our current warranty rate paid to us is $95 per warranty flat rate hour. As
soon as we have enough time to produce an effective labor rate that would
allow us to seek an increase we will seek that same $99 per hour. And like
dozens of times in the past as rates have increased, Honda will grant that.
Of course we need to know when the right time to apply is.
You are partially correct in that Honda doesn't pay the "street" rate.
That's because the customer labor rate rises first and the warranty labor
rate increase application soon follows. That's why I stated they are usually
90-95 percent of customer rate. But there are plenty of times the rates are
the same.
A dealer who turns away warranty work is leaving up to 30% of his business
on the table as well as eventually running out of customers after he pisses
them all off.
Yeah, there are alot of gouging, uncaring dealers out there, but they won't
be there long. If they want to run their multimillion dollar business in to
the ground, we don't
I'm not bragging or advertising (no location given), just wish there were
many more legitimate dealerships out there so the ones in business that are
doing the right thing don't get judged by the rest.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
They pay the prevailing rate in the area.
A dealer submits a request for a rate increase based upon surveying other
dealers (not just Honda) in the area and an audit of the applying
dealerships effective labor rate. From those figures and the actual warranty
rate sought, the District Rep submits to national and a decision is rendered
..
I've worked in 3 Honda dealerships since 1973. My current (23 years) Service
Dept's door rate is $99 per hour (we are on the lower side in our area) and
our current warranty rate paid to us is $95 per warranty flat rate hour. As
soon as we have enough time to produce an effective labor rate that would
allow us to seek an increase we will seek that same $99 per hour. And like
dozens of times in the past as rates have increased, Honda will grant that.
Of course we need to know when the right time to apply is.
You are partially correct in that Honda doesn't pay the "street" rate.
That's because the customer labor rate rises first and the warranty labor
rate increase application soon follows. That's why I stated they are usually
90-95 percent of customer rate. But there are plenty of times the rates are
the same.
A dealer who turns away warranty work is leaving up to 30% of his business
on the table as well as eventually running out of customers after he pisses
them all off.
Yeah, there are alot of gouging, uncaring dealers out there, but they won't
be there long. If they want to run their multimillion dollar business in to
the ground, we don't
I'm not bragging or advertising (no location given), just wish there were
many more legitimate dealerships out there so the ones in business that are
doing the right thing don't get judged by the rest.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I believe it is no longer considered a mid-size sedan. It is larger and has
more room.


"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191189443.998926.184010@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
> true?
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra
>> $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer
>> the
>> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda
>> what
>> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell
>> will
>> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
>> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>>
>> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda.
>> For
>> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
>> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
>> yours. Good luck.
>>
>> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
>> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
>> > vehicle. I want a manual.
>
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I believe it is no longer considered a mid-size sedan. It is larger and has
more room.


"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191189443.998926.184010@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
> true?
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra
>> $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer
>> the
>> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda
>> what
>> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell
>> will
>> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
>> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>>
>> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda.
>> For
>> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
>> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
>> yours. Good luck.
>>
>> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
>> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
>> > vehicle. I want a manual.
>
>