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Re: push button start
ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect the ground to it and thats it? |
Re: push button start
ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect the ground to it and thats it? |
Re: push button start
ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect the ground to it and thats it? |
Re: push button start
ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect the ground to it and thats it? |
Re: push button start
Seth wrote:
> <mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168720119.112887.226430@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com... >>>> So when I'm turning the key to crank the engine whatever 2 wires are >>>> hot are the 2 wires that I want to hook up my push button switch to? >>>> correct. >>> No. >>> >>> You want the ONE wire that is hot during crank but DEAD at the IGN >>> position. >> >> ok so I want to hook the switch to that wire and then to a good ground. >> correct? cause I got conflicting info. > > What would you be tying to ground? > > You want to provide 12V to the starter circuit when the button is pushed. > What are you using for a button? Will it be able to handle the current > you're going to put through it? > > You want to use a relay for this. Your button will activate the relay and > the relay will provide 12v to the starter circuit. > > If you don't know how to use and wire a relay, stop right now. I will not > be party to a car fire. > > all this reminds me of an old clunker i had with a defective ignition lock. long story short, removed the switch from the back of the key barrel and hid it up under the dash so it wasn't dependent on the key. no problems, just rotate the switch to operate, just like when it was attached to the key barrel, right? and it worked for me just fine. then, i lend the car to my sister. i show her where the switch is located, start the car for her, no problem. she drives away. a couple of hours later, she comes back and says "your car's making a funny noise". cringing, i go outside, start the car. no problems. finally, walking through every step of what had happened, she'd started the car ok, but hadn't returned the switch to the "run" position after the "start" position. when connected to the key barrel, this wasn't a problem because it's spring loaded, and as soon as you release the key, it springs back to the correct position. but the switch on its own wasn't spring loaded, and she'd driven nearly 40 miles with starter motor running!!! moral of the story: don't assume a damned thing when making mods like this. i'd assumed it was obvious what to do about the starter, but apparently not. the thing the op has to look out for is re-wiring and not having fail-safe operation, i.e. being able to run the starter motor inadvertently. connected to the rest of the ignition switch assembly, the starter can't be switched on when the ignition is off or the motor's not ready to be started. or when the steering lock is disengaged. independent wiring of a starter switch has none of these safeguards. the only safe way to do it is to have the starter button in series with the ignition switch starter contacts, but that kind of defeats the point. |
Re: push button start
Seth wrote:
> <mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168720119.112887.226430@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com... >>>> So when I'm turning the key to crank the engine whatever 2 wires are >>>> hot are the 2 wires that I want to hook up my push button switch to? >>>> correct. >>> No. >>> >>> You want the ONE wire that is hot during crank but DEAD at the IGN >>> position. >> >> ok so I want to hook the switch to that wire and then to a good ground. >> correct? cause I got conflicting info. > > What would you be tying to ground? > > You want to provide 12V to the starter circuit when the button is pushed. > What are you using for a button? Will it be able to handle the current > you're going to put through it? > > You want to use a relay for this. Your button will activate the relay and > the relay will provide 12v to the starter circuit. > > If you don't know how to use and wire a relay, stop right now. I will not > be party to a car fire. > > all this reminds me of an old clunker i had with a defective ignition lock. long story short, removed the switch from the back of the key barrel and hid it up under the dash so it wasn't dependent on the key. no problems, just rotate the switch to operate, just like when it was attached to the key barrel, right? and it worked for me just fine. then, i lend the car to my sister. i show her where the switch is located, start the car for her, no problem. she drives away. a couple of hours later, she comes back and says "your car's making a funny noise". cringing, i go outside, start the car. no problems. finally, walking through every step of what had happened, she'd started the car ok, but hadn't returned the switch to the "run" position after the "start" position. when connected to the key barrel, this wasn't a problem because it's spring loaded, and as soon as you release the key, it springs back to the correct position. but the switch on its own wasn't spring loaded, and she'd driven nearly 40 miles with starter motor running!!! moral of the story: don't assume a damned thing when making mods like this. i'd assumed it was obvious what to do about the starter, but apparently not. the thing the op has to look out for is re-wiring and not having fail-safe operation, i.e. being able to run the starter motor inadvertently. connected to the rest of the ignition switch assembly, the starter can't be switched on when the ignition is off or the motor's not ready to be started. or when the steering lock is disengaged. independent wiring of a starter switch has none of these safeguards. the only safe way to do it is to have the starter button in series with the ignition switch starter contacts, but that kind of defeats the point. |
Re: push button start
Seth wrote:
> <mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168720119.112887.226430@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com... >>>> So when I'm turning the key to crank the engine whatever 2 wires are >>>> hot are the 2 wires that I want to hook up my push button switch to? >>>> correct. >>> No. >>> >>> You want the ONE wire that is hot during crank but DEAD at the IGN >>> position. >> >> ok so I want to hook the switch to that wire and then to a good ground. >> correct? cause I got conflicting info. > > What would you be tying to ground? > > You want to provide 12V to the starter circuit when the button is pushed. > What are you using for a button? Will it be able to handle the current > you're going to put through it? > > You want to use a relay for this. Your button will activate the relay and > the relay will provide 12v to the starter circuit. > > If you don't know how to use and wire a relay, stop right now. I will not > be party to a car fire. > > all this reminds me of an old clunker i had with a defective ignition lock. long story short, removed the switch from the back of the key barrel and hid it up under the dash so it wasn't dependent on the key. no problems, just rotate the switch to operate, just like when it was attached to the key barrel, right? and it worked for me just fine. then, i lend the car to my sister. i show her where the switch is located, start the car for her, no problem. she drives away. a couple of hours later, she comes back and says "your car's making a funny noise". cringing, i go outside, start the car. no problems. finally, walking through every step of what had happened, she'd started the car ok, but hadn't returned the switch to the "run" position after the "start" position. when connected to the key barrel, this wasn't a problem because it's spring loaded, and as soon as you release the key, it springs back to the correct position. but the switch on its own wasn't spring loaded, and she'd driven nearly 40 miles with starter motor running!!! moral of the story: don't assume a damned thing when making mods like this. i'd assumed it was obvious what to do about the starter, but apparently not. the thing the op has to look out for is re-wiring and not having fail-safe operation, i.e. being able to run the starter motor inadvertently. connected to the rest of the ignition switch assembly, the starter can't be switched on when the ignition is off or the motor's not ready to be started. or when the steering lock is disengaged. independent wiring of a starter switch has none of these safeguards. the only safe way to do it is to have the starter button in series with the ignition switch starter contacts, but that kind of defeats the point. |
Re: push button start
Seth wrote:
> <mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168720119.112887.226430@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com... >>>> So when I'm turning the key to crank the engine whatever 2 wires are >>>> hot are the 2 wires that I want to hook up my push button switch to? >>>> correct. >>> No. >>> >>> You want the ONE wire that is hot during crank but DEAD at the IGN >>> position. >> >> ok so I want to hook the switch to that wire and then to a good ground. >> correct? cause I got conflicting info. > > What would you be tying to ground? > > You want to provide 12V to the starter circuit when the button is pushed. > What are you using for a button? Will it be able to handle the current > you're going to put through it? > > You want to use a relay for this. Your button will activate the relay and > the relay will provide 12v to the starter circuit. > > If you don't know how to use and wire a relay, stop right now. I will not > be party to a car fire. > > all this reminds me of an old clunker i had with a defective ignition lock. long story short, removed the switch from the back of the key barrel and hid it up under the dash so it wasn't dependent on the key. no problems, just rotate the switch to operate, just like when it was attached to the key barrel, right? and it worked for me just fine. then, i lend the car to my sister. i show her where the switch is located, start the car for her, no problem. she drives away. a couple of hours later, she comes back and says "your car's making a funny noise". cringing, i go outside, start the car. no problems. finally, walking through every step of what had happened, she'd started the car ok, but hadn't returned the switch to the "run" position after the "start" position. when connected to the key barrel, this wasn't a problem because it's spring loaded, and as soon as you release the key, it springs back to the correct position. but the switch on its own wasn't spring loaded, and she'd driven nearly 40 miles with starter motor running!!! moral of the story: don't assume a damned thing when making mods like this. i'd assumed it was obvious what to do about the starter, but apparently not. the thing the op has to look out for is re-wiring and not having fail-safe operation, i.e. being able to run the starter motor inadvertently. connected to the rest of the ignition switch assembly, the starter can't be switched on when the ignition is off or the motor's not ready to be started. or when the steering lock is disengaged. independent wiring of a starter switch has none of these safeguards. the only safe way to do it is to have the starter button in series with the ignition switch starter contacts, but that kind of defeats the point. |
Re: push button start
<mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168722606.192170.237660@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? What the hell do you keep talking about ground for? Just start the key with the key like designed. |
Re: push button start
<mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168722606.192170.237660@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? What the hell do you keep talking about ground for? Just start the key with the key like designed. |
Re: push button start
<mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168722606.192170.237660@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? What the hell do you keep talking about ground for? Just start the key with the key like designed. |
Re: push button start
<mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168722606.192170.237660@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com... > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? What the hell do you keep talking about ground for? Just start the key with the key like designed. |
Re: push button start
mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com wrote in news:1168722606.192170.237660
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? > The factory ignition switch (which works wonderfully, by the way) has two power feeds. Depending on its internal contacts, it distributes that power to the various devices it wants to give juice to. Those devices have their own grounds which are used once the electricity has done its work inside those devices. When you turn the ignition key, you are changing the positions of the contacts inside the ignition switch. This decides what will get power, and what will not. When the key is turned to "II", one of the live wires at the back of the ignition switch will go dead, and another wire -- which *had* been dead -- will suddenly come alive. That now-live one is the one which you need to use for your button. Basically, instead of the power routing through the ignition switch, then to that newly-live wire, it will bypass the ignition switch contact entirely and go through your button instead. But Seth is right again. The starter draws an enormous amount of current. If your button is inadequate for the load, it (and its wires) will overheat, melt and risk a fire. Ever seen a car on fire? Why do you want a starter button anyway? To make the car look more like a racer? Because you think it would be cool? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: push button start
mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com wrote in news:1168722606.192170.237660
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? > The factory ignition switch (which works wonderfully, by the way) has two power feeds. Depending on its internal contacts, it distributes that power to the various devices it wants to give juice to. Those devices have their own grounds which are used once the electricity has done its work inside those devices. When you turn the ignition key, you are changing the positions of the contacts inside the ignition switch. This decides what will get power, and what will not. When the key is turned to "II", one of the live wires at the back of the ignition switch will go dead, and another wire -- which *had* been dead -- will suddenly come alive. That now-live one is the one which you need to use for your button. Basically, instead of the power routing through the ignition switch, then to that newly-live wire, it will bypass the ignition switch contact entirely and go through your button instead. But Seth is right again. The starter draws an enormous amount of current. If your button is inadequate for the load, it (and its wires) will overheat, melt and risk a fire. Ever seen a car on fire? Why do you want a starter button anyway? To make the car look more like a racer? Because you think it would be cool? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: push button start
mitsurugi3644@hotmail.com wrote in news:1168722606.192170.237660
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > > > ok so I take the wire that is hot during crank and off during > everything else and I take it and hook it up to my switch and connect > the ground to it and thats it? > The factory ignition switch (which works wonderfully, by the way) has two power feeds. Depending on its internal contacts, it distributes that power to the various devices it wants to give juice to. Those devices have their own grounds which are used once the electricity has done its work inside those devices. When you turn the ignition key, you are changing the positions of the contacts inside the ignition switch. This decides what will get power, and what will not. When the key is turned to "II", one of the live wires at the back of the ignition switch will go dead, and another wire -- which *had* been dead -- will suddenly come alive. That now-live one is the one which you need to use for your button. Basically, instead of the power routing through the ignition switch, then to that newly-live wire, it will bypass the ignition switch contact entirely and go through your button instead. But Seth is right again. The starter draws an enormous amount of current. If your button is inadequate for the load, it (and its wires) will overheat, melt and risk a fire. Ever seen a car on fire? Why do you want a starter button anyway? To make the car look more like a racer? Because you think it would be cool? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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