SMS

Justbob30 wrote:
> Sorry, no, leave the break in oil in until the car tells you it needs
> changing, any dealer worth their salt will tell you that.

I've seen signs in the dealer service department warning owners against
premature oil changes. But these were mainly to dissuade owners from
doing the first oil change at 1000 miles, before the break-in oil had
done its job. While there is no benefit to doing the oil change earlier
than the vehicle tells you, at 5000 miles it's safe to remove the
break-in oil.

Some people like to do recreational oil changing. As long as they leave
the break-in oil in the vehicle for 5000 miles this is okay.

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com

On Oct 22, 9:53 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Justbob30 wrote:
> > Sorry, no, leave the break in oil in until the car tells you it needs
> > changing, any dealer worth their salt will tell you that.
>
> I've seen signs in the dealer service department warning owners against
> premature oil changes.

Then again, there are dealerships like this one (not rare).
They talk about the MM, then go into *their* recommended
service intervals, which are much more frequent of course,
making their Maintenance Minder essentially useless:

http://www.rickwoodsonhonda.com/inde...tion=service#4

And after googling for 'break-in oil' for my own amusement,
I got the following bit of wisdom:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2420

No wonder so many car owners are confused.

>But these were mainly to dissuade owners from
> doing the first oil change at 1000 miles, before the break-in oil had
> done its job. While there is no benefit to doing the oil change earlier
> than the vehicle tells you, at 5000 miles it's safe to remove the
> break-in oil.
>
> Some people like to do recreational oil changing. As long as they leave
> the break-in oil in the vehicle for 5000 miles this is okay.

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com

On Oct 21, 7:02 pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Thus spake rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com :
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 19, 7:23 pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Thus spake rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com :
>
> >> >On Oct 18, 9:24 pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
> >> >> >> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)
>
> >> >> >But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
> >> >> >15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
> >> >> >w/o
> >> >> >the MM saying it's time for an oil change.
>
> >> >> Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
> >> >> service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
> >> >> recommended change times for oil.
>
> >> >From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:
>
> >> > "I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> >> > an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> >> > of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> >> > of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> >> > items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "
>
> >> THEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
>
> >> It's "pretty clear" to you because you don't understand it and make
> >> things up on the fly.
>
> >Another genius amuses me with his dendrite shortage. Explain
> >if you can what about "none of the other maintenance items show
> >up until the Oil Life reading reaches 15%" can you not comprehend?
>
> Cites?

Well, you could start by reading your Owner's Manual.

jim beam

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 21, 7:02�pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Thus spake rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 7:23�pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Thus spake rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com :
>>>>> On Oct 18, 9:24�pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
>>>>>>>> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)
>>>>>>> But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
>>>>>>> 15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? �They never show up independently
>>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>>> the MM saying it's time for an oil change.
>>>>>> Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
>>>>>> service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
>>>>>> recommended change times for oil.
>>>> >From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:
>>>>> "I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
>>>>> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
>>>>> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
>>>>> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
>>>>> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "
>>>> THEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
>>>> It's "pretty clear" to you because you don't understand it and make
>>>> things up on the fly.
>>> Another genius amuses me with his dendrite shortage. �Explain
>>> if you can what about "none of the other maintenance items show
>>> up until the Oil Life reading reaches 15%" can you not comprehend?
>> Cites?
>
> Well, you could start by reading your Owner's Manual.


eh? weren't you the guy having difficulties cracking open your own
owners manual???

jim beam

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 22, 9:53�am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Justbob30 wrote:
>>> Sorry, no, leave the break in oil in until the car tells you it needs
>>> changing, any dealer worth their salt will tell you that.
>> I've seen signs in the dealer service department warning owners against
>> premature oil changes.
>
> Then again, there are dealerships like this one (not rare).
> They talk about the MM, then go into *their* recommended
> service intervals, which are much more frequent of course,
> making their Maintenance Minder essentially useless:
>
> http://www.rickwoodsonhonda.com/inde...tion=service#4
>
> And after googling for 'break-in oil' for my own amusement,
> I got the following bit of wisdom:
>
> http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2420

you call that wisdom??? i call it a bunch of carp from four old farts
that evidently don't know what oil analysis is, and couldn't spell
"tribology" if you gave them a dictionary.



>
> No wonder so many car owners are confused.

someone sure is! how is your oil analysis coming along?



>
>> But these were mainly to dissuade owners from
>> doing the first oil change at 1000 miles, before the break-in oil had
>> done its job. While there is no benefit to doing the oil change earlier
>> than the vehicle tells you, at 5000 miles it's safe to remove the
>> break-in oil.
>>
>> Some people like to do recreational oil changing. As long as they leave
>> the break-in oil in the vehicle for 5000 miles this is okay.
>

John Horner

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:
>
> e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage
>
> a= actual mileage
>
> t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0
>
> r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0
>

1) How do you know this is so for modern BMWs?
2) What makes you sure Honda is using this formula as well?

John Horner

>
> Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:
>
> e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage
>
> a= actual mileage
>
> t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0
>
> r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0
>


That "formula" doesn't make any sense. Hint, it should be a summation
of discrete events or an integral.

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com

On Oct 28, 12:45 am, John Horner <jthor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:
>
> > e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage
>
> > a= actual mileage
>
> > t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0
>
> > r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0
>
> 1) How do you know this is so for modern BMWs?

http://www.bimmerzone.com/resettoolabout.htm

Still used as of at least 2007 models.
BMWs require these tools for resetting fault codes
and service lights. I still have mine.

> 2) What makes you sure Honda is using this formula as well?

I never said I was sure they did. One thing I've learned here
is that Honda posters seem to make stuff up when they feel
like it, which is often for some of the dimwits here.

But what makes you think Honda isn't using it? My guess, judging from
Honda's silly oil change-driven Maintenance Minder reminder system,
is that their estimations might be even more crude.

It still amazes me that they would come up with a system that
never will remind an owner of any required maintenance (tire
rotation, filters, all the rest) unless said owner lets the Oil
Life get down to 15%. A typical clueless owner who, say,
changes their oil ever 4k miles, and resets, will never get
any indication that other things need to be done. They
could drive the car for many tens of thousands of miles
and think things are just fine & dandy.

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com

On Oct 28, 12:48 am, John Horner <jthor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:
>
> > e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage
>
> > a= actual mileage
>
> > t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0
>
> > r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0
>
> That "formula" doesn't make any sense. Hint, it should be a summation
> of discrete events or an integral.

If you had read and let sink in my own comments on this formula, you
would
see that I am critical of it too. Not only should it be an integral,
but I have
always felt it left out the most important factor: engine run time, as
I have
stated here in other posts.

I think you give automakers too much credit.