Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:34:53 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> The Mobil 1 that's on the shelves today bears little resemblance to the
>>> Mobil 1 that was introduced, when--30+ years ago?
>>>
>>>
>> indeed.
>>
>> in short, there are three types of "synthetic". group v, ester based,
>> group iv, olefin based, and group iii, highly refined mineral oils.
>>
>> most modern "synthetics" are group iii, the others being much too
>> expensive. and utterly irrelevant if they're not properly used, i.e.
>> discarded after only 4500 miles!
>
>
> How is that 'irrelevant'? Should we wait until the oil is thoroughly
> contaminated before changing it?
how do you /know/???? [rhetorical] you don't do analysis!
bottom line, color has nothing to do with it - the oil's filtered. any
particle, and it's only soot that makes it black, that can get through
the filter is too small to make any difference to lubrication. check
how thick the hydrodynamic oil films are, then look at the filter's
particle size pass-through.
>
> For the life of me, I can't see how changing the oil 500 miles early
> 'damages' anything. Please explain this.
500???? 3k miles is 4.5k early.
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:34:53 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> The Mobil 1 that's on the shelves today bears little resemblance to the
>>> Mobil 1 that was introduced, when--30+ years ago?
>>>
>>>
>> indeed.
>>
>> in short, there are three types of "synthetic". group v, ester based,
>> group iv, olefin based, and group iii, highly refined mineral oils.
>>
>> most modern "synthetics" are group iii, the others being much too
>> expensive. and utterly irrelevant if they're not properly used, i.e.
>> discarded after only 4500 miles!
>
>
> How is that 'irrelevant'? Should we wait until the oil is thoroughly
> contaminated before changing it?
how do you /know/???? [rhetorical] you don't do analysis!
bottom line, color has nothing to do with it - the oil's filtered. any
particle, and it's only soot that makes it black, that can get through
the filter is too small to make any difference to lubrication. check
how thick the hydrodynamic oil films are, then look at the filter's
particle size pass-through.
>
> For the life of me, I can't see how changing the oil 500 miles early
> 'damages' anything. Please explain this.
500???? 3k miles is 4.5k early.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:52:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> Add to that an '88 Supra with ~200,000 miles I picked up for $600 4
>>> years ago, an '89 Mazda 626 in mint condition for $150, and an '89
>>> Subaru Coupe for winter driving. And I change the oil on all of them at
>>> 3,000 miles! The Scion gets ~7,000 miles a year, the Supra ~10,000, the
>>> Mazda ~12,000 and the Subaru ~6,000. I change the oil on the Supra and
>>> the Subaru when they get parked for the season, then I drain that and
>>> put in fresh oil when they come back into service. The Scion gets
>>> synthetic every 4,500.
>>>
>>> All in all, cheap insurance. I wish I knew what moonbeam has against
>>> changing oil.
>>>
>>>
>> 3.5 quarts at $3.00 each = $10.50
>> 1 filter = $4.00
>>
>> call it $15.00 with drain plug washer.
>>
>> oil analysis costs $22.50 [blackstone].
>>
>> 4 changes at 3000 miles each = $60.00 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis =
>> $37.50
>>
>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>
>
> Not any more.
>
>
no .
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:52:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> Add to that an '88 Supra with ~200,000 miles I picked up for $600 4
>>> years ago, an '89 Mazda 626 in mint condition for $150, and an '89
>>> Subaru Coupe for winter driving. And I change the oil on all of them at
>>> 3,000 miles! The Scion gets ~7,000 miles a year, the Supra ~10,000, the
>>> Mazda ~12,000 and the Subaru ~6,000. I change the oil on the Supra and
>>> the Subaru when they get parked for the season, then I drain that and
>>> put in fresh oil when they come back into service. The Scion gets
>>> synthetic every 4,500.
>>>
>>> All in all, cheap insurance. I wish I knew what moonbeam has against
>>> changing oil.
>>>
>>>
>> 3.5 quarts at $3.00 each = $10.50
>> 1 filter = $4.00
>>
>> call it $15.00 with drain plug washer.
>>
>> oil analysis costs $22.50 [blackstone].
>>
>> 4 changes at 3000 miles each = $60.00 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis =
>> $37.50
>>
>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>
>
> Not any more.
>
>
no .
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>
>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>
> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>
> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>
> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
> miles!!!
>
> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the bill
> for their negligence.
what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
the game.
>
> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
> no build-up at all.
>
> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>
> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
> months.
spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>
>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>
> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>
> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>
> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
> miles!!!
>
> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the bill
> for their negligence.
what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
the game.
>
> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
> no build-up at all.
>
> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>
> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
> months.
spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:41:30 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>>> if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil
>>>>> analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded.
>>>>
>>>> WHY THE would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than
>>>> CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!
>>> Dude....you got that right.
>>>
>>>> Dude, you make less sense as you go along!
>>> Heh...no .
>>>
>>>
>> ever heard the expression, "ignorance is temporary, stupid is for ever"?
>>
>> here's how it works: you use oil analysis to determine the oil change
>> interval for your regular driving pattern. if analysis determines that
>> you can extend your change interval to 12k miles, for instance, you get to
>> save money on your previous change history.
>>
>> math [and saving money] doesn't get much simpler.
>
>
> Thanks, but I like to /drive/ my cars. This means, I buy cars with some
> pep and are fun to drive, and I drive them that way, and I don't want my
> cars (like the VW I had that had oil pressure problems after being driven
> to MAss from NJ by Who Knows Who) to spend a lot of time on the lift at
> the dealer. My oil analysis is this: at 3,000 miles I take a look at it.
> If it's black, it goes.
>
>
ignorance is nothing to proud of.
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:41:30 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>>> if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil
>>>>> analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded.
>>>>
>>>> WHY THE would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than
>>>> CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!
>>> Dude....you got that right.
>>>
>>>> Dude, you make less sense as you go along!
>>> Heh...no .
>>>
>>>
>> ever heard the expression, "ignorance is temporary, stupid is for ever"?
>>
>> here's how it works: you use oil analysis to determine the oil change
>> interval for your regular driving pattern. if analysis determines that
>> you can extend your change interval to 12k miles, for instance, you get to
>> save money on your previous change history.
>>
>> math [and saving money] doesn't get much simpler.
>
>
> Thanks, but I like to /drive/ my cars. This means, I buy cars with some
> pep and are fun to drive, and I drive them that way, and I don't want my
> cars (like the VW I had that had oil pressure problems after being driven
> to MAss from NJ by Who Knows Who) to spend a lot of time on the lift at
> the dealer. My oil analysis is this: at 3,000 miles I take a look at it.
> If it's black, it goes.
>
>
ignorance is nothing to proud of.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:50 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> As the drill turns, since you're drilling from the bottom, the havings
>> fall away. Those that don't get driven out when fresh grease is
>> installed.
>
> wrong. as you break through, shavings get pushed in. grease on top of
> that pushes them further, as well as any grit that's in the gun.
>
>
>
>> The fittings were put in in 1986. The car was being driven until 2003.
>> No damage to rack and pinion, and still on original ball joints wher the
>> grease fittings were added.
>
> so you say. but the fact is, unless the boots are damaged, these things
> typically last 300k+, with no intervention.
Sure they do. No tears in the boots on the BJs on my Supra, and they need
to be replaced.
I sense you haven't really a clue...
>
>
>
>> I guess that *really* paid off for them, eh?
>
> 1. they clearly don't know what they're doing.
I turst a factory trained service dep't more than the say of someone who
changes his oil every 12,000 miles, whether it need it or not. Manual says
7,500. What's your excuse?
> 2. contamination is a fact.
> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't yet,
> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000 miles?!?!?
>> As the drill turns, since you're drilling from the bottom, the havings
>> fall away. Those that don't get driven out when fresh grease is
>> installed.
>
> wrong. as you break through, shavings get pushed in. grease on top of
> that pushes them further, as well as any grit that's in the gun.
>
>
>
>> The fittings were put in in 1986. The car was being driven until 2003.
>> No damage to rack and pinion, and still on original ball joints wher the
>> grease fittings were added.
>
> so you say. but the fact is, unless the boots are damaged, these things
> typically last 300k+, with no intervention.
Sure they do. No tears in the boots on the BJs on my Supra, and they need
to be replaced.
I sense you haven't really a clue...
>
>
>
>> I guess that *really* paid off for them, eh?
>
> 1. they clearly don't know what they're doing.
I turst a factory trained service dep't more than the say of someone who
changes his oil every 12,000 miles, whether it need it or not. Manual says
7,500. What's your excuse?
> 2. contamination is a fact.
> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't yet,
> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000 miles?!?!?
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:12:51 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> For the life of me, I can't see how changing the oil 500 miles early
>> 'damages' anything. Please explain this.
>
> 500???? 3k miles is 4.5k early.
Toyota's recommendation is 5,000 miles.
>
>> For the life of me, I can't see how changing the oil 500 miles early
>> 'damages' anything. Please explain this.
>
> 500???? 3k miles is 4.5k early.
Toyota's recommendation is 5,000 miles.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>
>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>
>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>
>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>
>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>> miles!!!
>>
>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
>> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
>> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the
>> bill for their negligence.
>
> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
> the game.
We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes. Looks
like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the Service
Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the Manufacturer's
recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said 7,500. They
didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500 rarely had
sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're exceeding the MFG'd
recommendation?
>
>
>
>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
>> no build-up at all.
>>
>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>
>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
>> months.
>
> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>
>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>
>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>
>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>
>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>> miles!!!
>>
>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
>> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
>> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the
>> bill for their negligence.
>
> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
> the game.
We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes. Looks
like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the Service
Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the Manufacturer's
recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said 7,500. They
didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500 rarely had
sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're exceeding the MFG'd
recommendation?
>
>
>
>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
>> no build-up at all.
>>
>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>
>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
>> months.
>
> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:41:30 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>>> if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil
>>>>>> analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY THE would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than
>>>>> CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!
>>>> Dude....you got that right.
>>>>
>>>>> Dude, you make less sense as you go along!
>>>> Heh...no .
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ever heard the expression, "ignorance is temporary, stupid is for
>>> ever"?
>>>
>>> here's how it works: you use oil analysis to determine the oil change
>>> interval for your regular driving pattern. if analysis determines that
>>> you can extend your change interval to 12k miles, for instance, you get
>>> to save money on your previous change history.
>>>
>>> math [and saving money] doesn't get much simpler.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, but I like to /drive/ my cars. This means, I buy cars with some
>> pep and are fun to drive, and I drive them that way, and I don't want my
>> cars (like the VW I had that had oil pressure problems after being
>> driven to MAss from NJ by Who Knows Who) to spend a lot of time on the
>> lift at the dealer. My oil analysis is this: at 3,000 miles I take a
>> look at it. If it's black, it goes.
>>
>>
>>
> ignorance is nothing to proud of.
You're absolutely correct! So start changing your oil at 7,500 like th
MFG reccomends!
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:41:30 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>>> if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil
>>>>>> analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY THE would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than
>>>>> CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!
>>>> Dude....you got that right.
>>>>
>>>>> Dude, you make less sense as you go along!
>>>> Heh...no .
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ever heard the expression, "ignorance is temporary, stupid is for
>>> ever"?
>>>
>>> here's how it works: you use oil analysis to determine the oil change
>>> interval for your regular driving pattern. if analysis determines that
>>> you can extend your change interval to 12k miles, for instance, you get
>>> to save money on your previous change history.
>>>
>>> math [and saving money] doesn't get much simpler.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, but I like to /drive/ my cars. This means, I buy cars with some
>> pep and are fun to drive, and I drive them that way, and I don't want my
>> cars (like the VW I had that had oil pressure problems after being
>> driven to MAss from NJ by Who Knows Who) to spend a lot of time on the
>> lift at the dealer. My oil analysis is this: at 3,000 miles I take a
>> look at it. If it's black, it goes.
>>
>>
>>
> ignorance is nothing to proud of.
You're absolutely correct! So start changing your oil at 7,500 like th
MFG reccomends!
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>>
>>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>>
>>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>>> miles!!!
>>>
>>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
>>> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
>>> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the
>>> bill for their negligence.
>> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
>> the game.
>
> We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes. Looks
> like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the Service
> Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the Manufacturer's
> recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said 7,500. They
> didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500 rarely had
> sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're exceeding the MFG'd
> recommendation?
er, it's analysis that /determines/ the manufacturer's recommendation.
once the analysis is done, they do the stats on covering the maximum
reasonable user base, then set a change interval. a few may need to
change it sooner. but the majority can last longer. if you do the
analysis, you'll know just /how much/ longer.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
>>> no build-up at all.
>>>
>>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>>
>>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
>>> months.
>> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
>
> Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
>
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>>
>>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>>
>>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>>> miles!!!
>>>
>>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
>>> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
>>> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the
>>> bill for their negligence.
>> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
>> the game.
>
> We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes. Looks
> like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the Service
> Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the Manufacturer's
> recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said 7,500. They
> didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500 rarely had
> sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're exceeding the MFG'd
> recommendation?
er, it's analysis that /determines/ the manufacturer's recommendation.
once the analysis is done, they do the stats on covering the maximum
reasonable user base, then set a change interval. a few may need to
change it sooner. but the majority can last longer. if you do the
analysis, you'll know just /how much/ longer.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
>>> no build-up at all.
>>>
>>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>>
>>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
>>> months.
>> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
>
> Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
>
>
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:50 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> As the drill turns, since you're drilling from the bottom, the havings
>>> fall away. Those that don't get driven out when fresh grease is
>>> installed.
>> wrong. as you break through, shavings get pushed in. grease on top of
>> that pushes them further, as well as any grit that's in the gun.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The fittings were put in in 1986. The car was being driven until 2003.
>>> No damage to rack and pinion, and still on original ball joints wher the
>>> grease fittings were added.
>> so you say. but the fact is, unless the boots are damaged, these things
>> typically last 300k+, with no intervention.
>
> Sure they do. No tears in the boots on the BJs on my Supra, and they need
> to be replaced.
>
> I sense you haven't really a clue...
er, one minute, it's all hail the grease nipple, and now, it's premature
joint replacement. unrelated events obviously.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> I guess that *really* paid off for them, eh?
>> 1. they clearly don't know what they're doing.
>
> I turst a factory trained service dep't more than the say of someone who
> changes his oil every 12,000 miles, whether it need it or not. Manual says
> 7,500. What's your excuse?
a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s.
>
>
>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't yet,
>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>
> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000 miles?!?!?
a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:50 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> As the drill turns, since you're drilling from the bottom, the havings
>>> fall away. Those that don't get driven out when fresh grease is
>>> installed.
>> wrong. as you break through, shavings get pushed in. grease on top of
>> that pushes them further, as well as any grit that's in the gun.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The fittings were put in in 1986. The car was being driven until 2003.
>>> No damage to rack and pinion, and still on original ball joints wher the
>>> grease fittings were added.
>> so you say. but the fact is, unless the boots are damaged, these things
>> typically last 300k+, with no intervention.
>
> Sure they do. No tears in the boots on the BJs on my Supra, and they need
> to be replaced.
>
> I sense you haven't really a clue...
er, one minute, it's all hail the grease nipple, and now, it's premature
joint replacement. unrelated events obviously.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> I guess that *really* paid off for them, eh?
>> 1. they clearly don't know what they're doing.
>
> I turst a factory trained service dep't more than the say of someone who
> changes his oil every 12,000 miles, whether it need it or not. Manual says
> 7,500. What's your excuse?
a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s.
>
>
>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't yet,
>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>
> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000 miles?!?!?
a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't
>>> yet,
>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>>
>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>> miles?!?!?
>
> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't
>>> yet,
>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>>
>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>> miles?!?!?
>
> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
It's still cheaper to change the oil.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:19 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>>>
>>>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>>>> miles!!!
>>>>
>>>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna
>>>> engines? Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000
>>>> miles (or more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota
>>>> footed the bill for their negligence.
>>> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
>>> the game.
>>
>> We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes.
>> Looks like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the
>> Service Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the
>> Manufacturer's recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said
>> 7,500. They didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500
>> rarely had sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're
>> exceeding the MFG'd recommendation?
>
> er, it's analysis that /determines/ the manufacturer's recommendation.
> once the analysis is done, they do the stats on covering the maximum
> reasonable user base, then set a change interval. a few may need to
> change it sooner. but the majority can last longer. if you do the
> analysis, you'll know just /how much/ longer.
Tell that to all the people that came in with sludged Toyota engines.
They didn't follow the MFG's reccomendation.
Some of the ones that did had minimal sludging, but most of them were
using oil.
The ones that changed the oil every 3,000 miles had no sludge.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>>>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles
>>>> had no build-up at all.
>>>>
>>>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>>>
>>>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or
>>>> 12 months.
>>> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
>>
>> Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
>>
>> Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
>>
>>
>>
> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:13:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>>>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>>>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>>>>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>>>> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> And you have the ***** to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>>>>
>>>> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
>>>> miles!!!
>>>>
>>>> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna
>>>> engines? Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000
>>>> miles (or more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota
>>>> footed the bill for their negligence.
>>> what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
>>> the game.
>>
>> We're talking about people who don't do frequent enough oil changes.
>> Looks like you're in that club. These were the people that came into the
>> Service Dep't with sludged engines. Why? They didn't follow the
>> Manufacturer's recommendation. The manual for a Camry and a Sienna said
>> 7,500. They didn't so it and got sludged engines. People who did <7,500
>> rarely had sludge. Who gives a about oil analysis if you're
>> exceeding the MFG'd recommendation?
>
> er, it's analysis that /determines/ the manufacturer's recommendation.
> once the analysis is done, they do the stats on covering the maximum
> reasonable user base, then set a change interval. a few may need to
> change it sooner. but the majority can last longer. if you do the
> analysis, you'll know just /how much/ longer.
Tell that to all the people that came in with sludged Toyota engines.
They didn't follow the MFG's reccomendation.
Some of the ones that did had minimal sludging, but most of them were
using oil.
The ones that changed the oil every 3,000 miles had no sludge.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
>>>> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles
>>>> had no build-up at all.
>>>>
>>>> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>>>>
>>>> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or
>>>> 12 months.
>>> spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.
>>
>> Spend a little money and change your friggin' oil!
>>
>> Also, tell me where you are so I know not to buy a car from you.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't
>>>> yet,
>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>> miles?!?!?
>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>
>
> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>
>
but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours haven't
>>>> yet,
>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this stupidity.
>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>> miles?!?!?
>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>
>
> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>
>
but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
"Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ッ" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote
> I also try to run my cars as fast as
> possible (observing local laws, of course) generally 40-50 MPH wherever I
> go. I live in a rural area so it's easy to do. All this helps the oil
> better than a number of 2-3 mile trips with long stops in between, or stop
> and start driving.
Dude..slow the hell down...seriously...do yourself a favor and do it now.
Drive the speed limit, please.
All it takes is one accident or someone coming into the road and your life
will forever be changed.
Seriously...as a man, the coolest thing I can do as a driver is obey the
speed limits, and I invite you to join me.
Its hard as hell to do, no doubt, especially with a goddamn Supra.
But seriously...listen to what I am saying and do everyone a favor.
This might also explain partly why you were in an accident....
I drive like I expect *EVERYONE* to up, and to do so right in front of
me.
***THAT*** is how you are supposed to drive.
Okay...you're a grown man so I can't stop you, but I am asking you to do so,
regardless....
> And I still change dino oil at 3,000 and synth at 4,500.
I don't use dino, and I agree with the synth change like you do...maybe
5,000k if I can't get to it and all that.
Peace,
Polfus
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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> 2 changes at 6,000 miles each, and filter changes every other oil change,
>
> filter every other time? that's not clever.
The Honda engineers don't suggest a filter change every oil change.
So why do you all of a sudden, given your blind following of their
"guidelines"?
> > and drain plugs = $26.00
>
> you're either dishonest or delusional.
Or you're crazy as hell.
> you've stated many times how you do your changes yourself every 3k, 4.5k
> for synthetic. now here you are suddenly at 6k.
You have lost your damn mind because I never said that at all.
>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>
> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
Awesome....good luck with that.
And now I wonder why you get so pissy with everyone when they question the
oil change intervals recommended ( or actually not recommended by since its
buried in the "maintenance Minder" ).
If you don't even follow the Honda guidelines, then you should shut your
damn piehole the next time you feel the need to foam at the *** when someone
(like me!) does it differently.
Read that again, rinse, and repeat over and over until you get it, son.
> i'd much rather introduce you to reality.
This should be interesting coming from you....carry on...
> for a 6k change interval, over 24k we can still say:
>
> 4 x $15 = $60 for the blind faith approach.
>
> vs.
>
> 2 x $15 = $30
> + 1 analysis $27.50 [only needs to be done every 30-50k]
>
> that's $57.50. analysis still saves you money.
$2.50 in savings.
Wow...maybe I'll get a 2L Pepsi and a sandwich with all that money.
> over 48k we have
>
> 8 x $15 = $120 blind faith.
>
> vs.
>
> 4 x $15 = $60
> + 2 x analysis = $55
>
> that's $115 saving money /
No...reality says that your scenario saves a whopping $5.00 over the course
of 48K miles.
And doing so on a vehicle that can cost over $30,000 dollars, doing dino oil
changes every 12k miles.
> and/ knowing the health of your engine.
No, thats not exactly true...oil analysis is by no means a complete engine
diagnostic tool.
If you think so, then knock yourself out.
> seems like a real easy decision to make to me.
Yeah....it is, actually.
Polfus