Im Right

Just met a guy that has an Astro vanwith 285,000 miles on it and uses
Valvoline 5w-30 He is a courier so the van is moving 10 hours a day.
Regular maintenance even with PENISOIL, errr penzoil,, will return good
results.
"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:7TOVa.109447$R92.101925@news2.central.***.net ...
: Does anyone have long term experience with Royal Purple for normal
driving?
: It seems to be carried at a lot of high performance shops, but looks like
: thats about it.
:
:

Philip®

Bill Putney wrote:
> "John D." wrote:
>> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car
>> and (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain
>> ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73.
> In their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch
> over to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the
> guinea pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement
> engines in those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my

Agreed ... and ... there is a significant portion of this forum's
participants and lurkers who were just being BORN when Mobil1 first
debuted. So .... *those* people did not "forget." LOL
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
show

Philip®

Bill Putney wrote:
> "John D." wrote:
>> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car
>> and (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain
>> ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73.
> In their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch
> over to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the
> guinea pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement
> engines in those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my

Agreed ... and ... there is a significant portion of this forum's
participants and lurkers who were just being BORN when Mobil1 first
debuted. So .... *those* people did not "forget." LOL
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
show

Tom Hamilton

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:05:38 -0400, Bill Putney wrote:

> "John D." wrote:
>> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>> (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----


Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
another claim.

Tom Hamilton

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:05:38 -0400, Bill Putney wrote:

> "John D." wrote:
>> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>> (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
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> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----


Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
another claim.

John D.

Bill,

I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
years ago if not in the 70s.

NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
then, hence it wasn't even an issue.

John D.




Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> "John D." wrote:
> > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

John D.

Bill,

I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
years ago if not in the 70s.

NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
then, hence it wasn't even an issue.

John D.




Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> "John D." wrote:
> > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>
> It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> those days.
>
> People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>
> Bill Putney
> (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> address with "x")
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

JT

"Tom Hamilton" <thamilt5.ohno@snet.net> wrote in message
newsan.2003.08.01.00.08.01.223579@snet.net...
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:05:38 -0400, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > "John D." wrote:
> >> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> >> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> >> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> >> (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >
> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > those days.
> >
> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with "x")
> >
> >
>
> Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
> another claim.
Reminds me of a story -
I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they did
car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He thought
target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the oil
from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense when
he left.

JT

"Tom Hamilton" <thamilt5.ohno@snet.net> wrote in message
newsan.2003.08.01.00.08.01.223579@snet.net...
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:05:38 -0400, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > "John D." wrote:
> >> ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> >> to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> >> synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> >> (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >
> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > those days.
> >
> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with "x")
> >
> >
>
> Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
> another claim.
Reminds me of a story -
I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they did
car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He thought
target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the oil
from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense when
he left.

john

>>>>...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>>>>to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>>>>synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>>>>(2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>>>>
>>>It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
>>>their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
>>>swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
>>>to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
>>>pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
>>>those days.
>>>
>>>People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
>>>days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
>>>They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>>>
>>>Bill Putney
>>>(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>>>address with "x")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
>>another claim.
>>
> Reminds me of a story -
> I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they did
> car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
> good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
> changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He thought
> target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the oil
> from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense when
> he left.


i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
hehe...

-john

john

>>>>...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>>>>to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>>>>synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>>>>(2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>>>>
>>>It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
>>>their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
>>>swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
>>>to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
>>>pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
>>>those days.
>>>
>>>People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
>>>days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
>>>They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>>>
>>>Bill Putney
>>>(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>>>address with "x")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
>>another claim.
>>
> Reminds me of a story -
> I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they did
> car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
> good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
> changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He thought
> target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the oil
> from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense when
> he left.


i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
hehe...

-john

TG

I use Amsoil and change every 35,000 with a filter change in the middle of
that period. Mainly because I'm lazy. I used dino oil and only changed it
every 5,000 and my '95 Legacy is still running strong with 285,000! If you
are buying synthetic to preserve your engine and changing it every 5,000 or
sooner you are wasting your money...unless you are in the Antarctic. TG

"john" <rsx18@mistralaero.com> wrote in message
news:3F29E067.9090802@mistralaero.com...
>
> >>>>...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> >>>>to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> >>>>synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> >>>>(2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >>>>
> >>>It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> >>>their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> >>>swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch
over
> >>>to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> >>>pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> >>>those days.
> >>>
> >>>People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> >>>days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> >>>They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >>>
> >>>Bill Putney
> >>>(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> >>>address with "x")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
> >>another claim.
> >>
> > Reminds me of a story -
> > I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they
did
> > car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
> > good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
> > changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He
thought
> > target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the
oil
> > from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense
when
> > he left.
>
>
> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames
because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
> hehe...
>
> -john
>
>

TG

I use Amsoil and change every 35,000 with a filter change in the middle of
that period. Mainly because I'm lazy. I used dino oil and only changed it
every 5,000 and my '95 Legacy is still running strong with 285,000! If you
are buying synthetic to preserve your engine and changing it every 5,000 or
sooner you are wasting your money...unless you are in the Antarctic. TG

"john" <rsx18@mistralaero.com> wrote in message
news:3F29E067.9090802@mistralaero.com...
>
> >>>>...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> >>>>to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> >>>>synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> >>>>(2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >>>>
> >>>It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> >>>their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> >>>swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch
over
> >>>to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> >>>pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> >>>those days.
> >>>
> >>>People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> >>>days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> >>>They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >>>
> >>>Bill Putney
> >>>(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> >>>address with "x")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Don't forget you also could drive 25,000 miles between oil changes was
> >>another claim.
> >>
> > Reminds me of a story -
> > I used to work in the automotive department at Target, (back when they
did
> > car service) A guy comes in screaming because his engine is not running
> > good, oil smells burnt etc. He sail Mobil One advertise 25K between oil
> > changes and he was not even up to 22K and his motor was shot. He
thought
> > target would get him a new motor, because that's where he bought the
oil
> > from. I calmly referred him to Mobil and then laughed at his expense
when
> > he left.
>
>
> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames
because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
> hehe...
>
> -john
>
>

TG

Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
will not like what you find. TG

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
> Bill,
>
> I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
> researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
> to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
> the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
> years ago if not in the 70s.
>
> NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
> research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
> knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
> then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
>
> John D.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> > "John D." wrote:
> > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >
> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > those days.
> >
> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with "x")
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

TG

Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
will not like what you find. TG

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
> Bill,
>
> I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
> researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
> to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
> the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
> years ago if not in the 70s.
>
> NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
> research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
> knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
> then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
>
> John D.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> > "John D." wrote:
> > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> >
> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > those days.
> >
> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with "x")
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----