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rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since new.
It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman Honda here in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, pressure plate, throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the manual gearbox since they are "noisy". They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on the clutch work but also replacing the bearings inside the transmission ? That is a lot of work ! Thanks, Lynn |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12cst2n5v4o6l32@corp.supernews.com... > My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since new. > It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman Honda here > in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, pressure plate, > throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. > > They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the manual gearbox > since they are "noisy". > > They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on the clutch > work but also replacing the bearings inside the transmission ? > That is a lot of work ! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > Wow! I'd want somebody to pay me $2800 to replace bearings in a manual transmission, too! If you haven't heard the noise when you were driving, my inclination would be to thank them for their concern but I'd risk it. As long as the gearbox is properly filled with fresh Honda Manual Transmission Lube (which you should certainly expect to be done) the odds are in your favor - especially when they put the stakes that high. I agree on the rest of the work - it makes sense to me. You might want to ask: they're replacing the pilot bearing also, right? It is part of a proper clutch replacement. Mike |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12cst2n5v4o6l32@corp.supernews.com... > My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since new. > It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman Honda here > in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, pressure plate, > throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. > > They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the manual gearbox > since they are "noisy". > > They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on the clutch > work but also replacing the bearings inside the transmission ? > That is a lot of work ! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > Wow! I'd want somebody to pay me $2800 to replace bearings in a manual transmission, too! If you haven't heard the noise when you were driving, my inclination would be to thank them for their concern but I'd risk it. As long as the gearbox is properly filled with fresh Honda Manual Transmission Lube (which you should certainly expect to be done) the odds are in your favor - especially when they put the stakes that high. I agree on the rest of the work - it makes sense to me. You might want to ask: they're replacing the pilot bearing also, right? It is part of a proper clutch replacement. Mike |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12cst2n5v4o6l32@corp.supernews.com... > My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since new. > It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman Honda here > in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, pressure plate, > throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. > > They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the manual gearbox > since they are "noisy". > > They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on the clutch > work but also replacing the bearings inside the transmission ? > That is a lot of work ! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > Wow! I'd want somebody to pay me $2800 to replace bearings in a manual transmission, too! If you haven't heard the noise when you were driving, my inclination would be to thank them for their concern but I'd risk it. As long as the gearbox is properly filled with fresh Honda Manual Transmission Lube (which you should certainly expect to be done) the odds are in your favor - especially when they put the stakes that high. I agree on the rest of the work - it makes sense to me. You might want to ask: they're replacing the pilot bearing also, right? It is part of a proper clutch replacement. Mike |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:12cst2n5v4o6l32@corp.supernews.com... > My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since new. > It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman Honda here > in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, pressure plate, > throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. > > They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the manual gearbox > since they are "noisy". > > They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on the clutch > work but also replacing the bearings inside the transmission ? > That is a lot of work ! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > Wow! I'd want somebody to pay me $2800 to replace bearings in a manual transmission, too! If you haven't heard the noise when you were driving, my inclination would be to thank them for their concern but I'd risk it. As long as the gearbox is properly filled with fresh Honda Manual Transmission Lube (which you should certainly expect to be done) the odds are in your favor - especially when they put the stakes that high. I agree on the rest of the work - it makes sense to me. You might want to ask: they're replacing the pilot bearing also, right? It is part of a proper clutch replacement. Mike |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >> new. >> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >> Honda here >> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >> pressure plate, >> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >> >> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >> manual gearbox >> since they are "noisy". >> >> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >> the clutch >> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >> transmission ? >> That is a lot of work ! Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? I'd make them demonstrate the noise first, either while driving around town or by putting the car on a lift and running it. In the alternative, get a second opinion. I base this on a whopping three weeks of instruction on manual transmissions but some other experience with large machinery bearings over many years. My instructor last week said even on a transmission overhaul, the shaft bearings were to be left alone unless there was evidence of failure. He said these bearings can last well past the life of a car, as long as they are properly lubricated (= sufficent oil in the case, and oil changed at specified intervals). |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >> new. >> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >> Honda here >> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >> pressure plate, >> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >> >> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >> manual gearbox >> since they are "noisy". >> >> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >> the clutch >> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >> transmission ? >> That is a lot of work ! Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? I'd make them demonstrate the noise first, either while driving around town or by putting the car on a lift and running it. In the alternative, get a second opinion. I base this on a whopping three weeks of instruction on manual transmissions but some other experience with large machinery bearings over many years. My instructor last week said even on a transmission overhaul, the shaft bearings were to be left alone unless there was evidence of failure. He said these bearings can last well past the life of a car, as long as they are properly lubricated (= sufficent oil in the case, and oil changed at specified intervals). |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >> new. >> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >> Honda here >> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >> pressure plate, >> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >> >> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >> manual gearbox >> since they are "noisy". >> >> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >> the clutch >> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >> transmission ? >> That is a lot of work ! Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? I'd make them demonstrate the noise first, either while driving around town or by putting the car on a lift and running it. In the alternative, get a second opinion. I base this on a whopping three weeks of instruction on manual transmissions but some other experience with large machinery bearings over many years. My instructor last week said even on a transmission overhaul, the shaft bearings were to be left alone unless there was evidence of failure. He said these bearings can last well past the life of a car, as long as they are properly lubricated (= sufficent oil in the case, and oil changed at specified intervals). |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >> new. >> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >> Honda here >> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >> pressure plate, >> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >> >> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >> manual gearbox >> since they are "noisy". >> >> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >> the clutch >> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >> transmission ? >> That is a lot of work ! Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? I'd make them demonstrate the noise first, either while driving around town or by putting the car on a lift and running it. In the alternative, get a second opinion. I base this on a whopping three weeks of instruction on manual transmissions but some other experience with large machinery bearings over many years. My instructor last week said even on a transmission overhaul, the shaft bearings were to be left alone unless there was evidence of failure. He said these bearings can last well past the life of a car, as long as they are properly lubricated (= sufficent oil in the case, and oil changed at specified intervals). |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:QKxzg.6417$gF6.521@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net: >> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >>> new. >>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >>> Honda here >>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>> pressure plate, >>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>> >>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>> manual gearbox >>> since they are "noisy". >>> >>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>> the clutch >>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>> transmission ? >>> That is a lot of work ! > > Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and whine in such a manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). You will have difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your passenger. Once it gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it soon, otherwise one of these years the tranny will lock up on you. The test -- to be performed by an experienced technician -- is to drive the car to full-warm, park it in a quiet place, preferably close to a wall or side of another vehicle, then press and release the clutch several times with the tranny in neutral, while listening carefully. An experienced tech can tell bearing rattle from gear rattle. You should hear *my* tranny at 271K. Original bearings. Rattly as all get-out, but not *howly* yet. My guy figures I've got at least a couple of years to go on it. He says when it really needs attention, even my lousy ears will hear it! Personally, I've had two Toyota T-50 5-speed transmissions go bad on me. In both cases, the bearing noise was deafening. The design of this RWD drivetrain meant that so long as I stayed out of 5th, the bearing was not under load, so there was no noise. This tactic enabled me to forestall transmission replacement until I could afford it. Honda FWD transaxle designs do not permit such flexibility. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:QKxzg.6417$gF6.521@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net: >> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >>> new. >>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >>> Honda here >>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>> pressure plate, >>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>> >>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>> manual gearbox >>> since they are "noisy". >>> >>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>> the clutch >>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>> transmission ? >>> That is a lot of work ! > > Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and whine in such a manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). You will have difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your passenger. Once it gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it soon, otherwise one of these years the tranny will lock up on you. The test -- to be performed by an experienced technician -- is to drive the car to full-warm, park it in a quiet place, preferably close to a wall or side of another vehicle, then press and release the clutch several times with the tranny in neutral, while listening carefully. An experienced tech can tell bearing rattle from gear rattle. You should hear *my* tranny at 271K. Original bearings. Rattly as all get-out, but not *howly* yet. My guy figures I've got at least a couple of years to go on it. He says when it really needs attention, even my lousy ears will hear it! Personally, I've had two Toyota T-50 5-speed transmissions go bad on me. In both cases, the bearing noise was deafening. The design of this RWD drivetrain meant that so long as I stayed out of 5th, the bearing was not under load, so there was no noise. This tactic enabled me to forestall transmission replacement until I could afford it. Honda FWD transaxle designs do not permit such flexibility. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:QKxzg.6417$gF6.521@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net: >> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >>> new. >>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >>> Honda here >>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>> pressure plate, >>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>> >>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>> manual gearbox >>> since they are "noisy". >>> >>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>> the clutch >>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>> transmission ? >>> That is a lot of work ! > > Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and whine in such a manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). You will have difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your passenger. Once it gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it soon, otherwise one of these years the tranny will lock up on you. The test -- to be performed by an experienced technician -- is to drive the car to full-warm, park it in a quiet place, preferably close to a wall or side of another vehicle, then press and release the clutch several times with the tranny in neutral, while listening carefully. An experienced tech can tell bearing rattle from gear rattle. You should hear *my* tranny at 271K. Original bearings. Rattly as all get-out, but not *howly* yet. My guy figures I've got at least a couple of years to go on it. He says when it really needs attention, even my lousy ears will hear it! Personally, I've had two Toyota T-50 5-speed transmissions go bad on me. In both cases, the bearing noise was deafening. The design of this RWD drivetrain meant that so long as I stayed out of 5th, the bearing was not under load, so there was no noise. This tactic enabled me to forestall transmission replacement until I could afford it. Honda FWD transaxle designs do not permit such flexibility. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:QKxzg.6417$gF6.521@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net: >> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned since >>> new. >>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at Gillman >>> Honda here >>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>> pressure plate, >>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>> >>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>> manual gearbox >>> since they are "noisy". >>> >>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>> the clutch >>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>> transmission ? >>> That is a lot of work ! > > Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling sounds? Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and whine in such a manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). You will have difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your passenger. Once it gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it soon, otherwise one of these years the tranny will lock up on you. The test -- to be performed by an experienced technician -- is to drive the car to full-warm, park it in a quiet place, preferably close to a wall or side of another vehicle, then press and release the clutch several times with the tranny in neutral, while listening carefully. An experienced tech can tell bearing rattle from gear rattle. You should hear *my* tranny at 271K. Original bearings. Rattly as all get-out, but not *howly* yet. My guy figures I've got at least a couple of years to go on it. He says when it really needs attention, even my lousy ears will hear it! Personally, I've had two Toyota T-50 5-speed transmissions go bad on me. In both cases, the bearing noise was deafening. The design of this RWD drivetrain meant that so long as I stayed out of 5th, the bearing was not under load, so there was no noise. This tactic enabled me to forestall transmission replacement until I could afford it. Honda FWD transaxle designs do not permit such flexibility. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >>> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned >>>> since >>>> new. >>>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at >>>> Gillman >>>> Honda here >>>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>>> pressure plate, >>>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>>> >>>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>>> manual gearbox >>>> since they are "noisy". >>>> >>>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>>> the clutch >>>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>>> transmission ? >>>> That is a lot of work ! >> >> Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling >> sounds? > > > > Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and > whine in such a > manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). > You will have > difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your > passenger. Once it > gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it > soon, otherwise one > of these years the tranny will lock up on you. snip for brevity I am sure that elaboration will help. I was giving a (stinkin') ASE test (one test technicians take to become certified) answer(!). |
Re: rebuild clutch and tranny on 97 Civic EX
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >>> "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote >>>> My daughter drives a 97 Civic EX that we have owned >>>> since >>>> new. >>>> It has 80K miles on it. We just got it looked at >>>> Gillman >>>> Honda here >>>> in Houston and they want to replace the clutch disk, >>>> pressure plate, >>>> throwout bearing, hydraulic slave and master cylinders. >>>> >>>> They also want to replace the shaft bearings on the >>>> manual gearbox >>>> since they are "noisy". >>>> >>>> They quoted me $2,800 for the work. I totally agree on >>>> the clutch >>>> work but also replacing the bearings inside the >>>> transmission ? >>>> That is a lot of work ! >> >> Can you hear any unusual noises? Grating or growling >> sounds? > > > > Bad transmission bearings HOWL under load. They howl and > whine in such a > manner that there's mo ignoring it (whooOOOOOOOOOOOOO). > You will have > difficulty making yourself heard as you shout at your > passenger. Once it > gets to that stage, you'd better do something about it > soon, otherwise one > of these years the tranny will lock up on you. snip for brevity I am sure that elaboration will help. I was giving a (stinkin') ASE test (one test technicians take to become certified) answer(!). |
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