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Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
dbltap wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >> Bob Palmer wrote: >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a lot >>>> more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. Accord or >>>> Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>> >>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>> >>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>> >> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for the >> moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and according >> to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 after >> discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of $25,555. >> Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under $22,000. >> Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of vehicle. >> >> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear inventory. >> The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been reported to >> only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down list. I >> wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market if Ford >> shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >> >> John > http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to Daimler-Chrysler. An interesting side story is that just before Ford bought Volvo, Volvo had an active evaluation program going with the California Highway Patrol for a police version of the 850 turbo as a cop car. They are used as such in several European countries. When Ford bought Volvo they immediately killed the project as Ford saw no reason to foster competition for their lucrative Police Interceptor line. Yet another short sighted decision. The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just a question of when! John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
dbltap wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >> Bob Palmer wrote: >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a lot >>>> more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. Accord or >>>> Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>> >>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>> >>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>> >> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for the >> moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and according >> to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 after >> discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of $25,555. >> Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under $22,000. >> Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of vehicle. >> >> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear inventory. >> The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been reported to >> only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down list. I >> wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market if Ford >> shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >> >> John > http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to Daimler-Chrysler. An interesting side story is that just before Ford bought Volvo, Volvo had an active evaluation program going with the California Highway Patrol for a police version of the 850 turbo as a cop car. They are used as such in several European countries. When Ford bought Volvo they immediately killed the project as Ford saw no reason to foster competition for their lucrative Police Interceptor line. Yet another short sighted decision. The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just a question of when! John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL
Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 mike "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_r_Fg.1737$0J6.527@trnddc02... > dbltap wrote: >> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >>> Bob Palmer wrote: >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a >>>>> lot more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. >>>>> Accord or Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>>> >>>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>>> >>> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for >>> the moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and >>> according to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 >>> after discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of >>> $25,555. Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under >>> $22,000. Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of >>> vehicle. >>> >>> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear >>> inventory. The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been >>> reported to only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down >>> list. I wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market >>> if Ford shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >>> >>> John >> http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to > Daimler-Chrysler. <snip> ..> The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just > a question of when! > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL
Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 mike "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_r_Fg.1737$0J6.527@trnddc02... > dbltap wrote: >> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >>> Bob Palmer wrote: >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a >>>>> lot more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. >>>>> Accord or Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>>> >>>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>>> >>> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for >>> the moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and >>> according to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 >>> after discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of >>> $25,555. Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under >>> $22,000. Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of >>> vehicle. >>> >>> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear >>> inventory. The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been >>> reported to only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down >>> list. I wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market >>> if Ford shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >>> >>> John >> http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to > Daimler-Chrysler. <snip> ..> The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just > a question of when! > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL
Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 mike "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_r_Fg.1737$0J6.527@trnddc02... > dbltap wrote: >> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >>> Bob Palmer wrote: >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a >>>>> lot more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. >>>>> Accord or Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>>> >>>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>>> >>> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for >>> the moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and >>> according to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 >>> after discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of >>> $25,555. Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under >>> $22,000. Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of >>> vehicle. >>> >>> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear >>> inventory. The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been >>> reported to only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down >>> list. I wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market >>> if Ford shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >>> >>> John >> http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to > Daimler-Chrysler. <snip> ..> The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just > a question of when! > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL
Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 mike "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_r_Fg.1737$0J6.527@trnddc02... > dbltap wrote: >> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:80SFg.1959$u1.361@trnddc05... >>> Bob Palmer wrote: >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:tvKcnenSRqL89nrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>> That may be your opinion but one can drive home a new nicely equipped >>>>> V8 Crown Vic, or a Grand Marquis, for 20K or less. You will spend a >>>>> lot more than 20K to drive home a smaller, similarly equipped V6. >>>>> Accord or Camry and the CV and GM are better all around vehicles. ;) >>>>> >>>> Ford Crown Victoria 2007 Base Price: $25,310-$28,305. >>>> Mercury Marquis 2007 Base Price: $25,580-$30,235. >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's $20,000 or less. >>>> >>> I hate to agree with Mike, but he is correct on this one, at least for >>> the moment. Ford has a * $6,000 * rebate on the Grand Marquis and >>> according to carsdirect.com they will sell you a base model for $17,544 >>> after discounts and rebate. That is for a car with a nominal MSRP of >>> $25,555. Even a well equipped "LS Premium" version can be had for under >>> $22,000. Not my kind of car, but a bargain if you like that sort of >>> vehicle. >>> >>> It seems that Ford is giving these things away to try and clear >>> inventory. The St. Thomas, Ontario factory which builds them has been >>> reported to only be running one shift and is probably on the close-down >>> list. I wonder what will become of the taxi and police vehicle market >>> if Ford shuts that factory? Maybe they all move to Dodges ???? >>> >>> John >> http://www.officer.com/article/artic...ion=2&id=28545 > > Yep, it sure looks like Ford is handing the police car business over to > Daimler-Chrysler. <snip> ..> The Crown Vic is an ancient design and the Police Interceptor's days have long been doomed. It was always just > a question of when! > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
Mike Hunter wrote:
> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL > > Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 > > > mike No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
Mike Hunter wrote:
> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL > > Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 > > > mike No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
Mike Hunter wrote:
> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL > > Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 > > > mike No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford4) Chevrolet
Mike Hunter wrote:
> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL > > Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 > > > mike No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
I have no idea where you got your information but there have been far more
than tweaks. The engine is state of the art SMEFI OHC V8, with individual coil packs that can get 25 MPG. The tranny is an electronically controlled unit. The CVs frame, body and suspension are all new, as well, since 2000. The CV and GM are both built to far exceed both the front and rear NHTSA crash standards. A build standard that exceeds every other car on the market. Hardy of ancient origin mike hunt "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mE2Gg.10210$RQ5.3180@trnddc03... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL >> >> Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 >> >> >> mike > > > No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design > work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, > but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
I have no idea where you got your information but there have been far more
than tweaks. The engine is state of the art SMEFI OHC V8, with individual coil packs that can get 25 MPG. The tranny is an electronically controlled unit. The CVs frame, body and suspension are all new, as well, since 2000. The CV and GM are both built to far exceed both the front and rear NHTSA crash standards. A build standard that exceeds every other car on the market. Hardy of ancient origin mike hunt "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mE2Gg.10210$RQ5.3180@trnddc03... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL >> >> Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 >> >> >> mike > > > No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design > work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, > but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
I have no idea where you got your information but there have been far more
than tweaks. The engine is state of the art SMEFI OHC V8, with individual coil packs that can get 25 MPG. The tranny is an electronically controlled unit. The CVs frame, body and suspension are all new, as well, since 2000. The CV and GM are both built to far exceed both the front and rear NHTSA crash standards. A build standard that exceeds every other car on the market. Hardy of ancient origin mike hunt "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mE2Gg.10210$RQ5.3180@trnddc03... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL >> >> Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 >> >> >> mike > > > No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design > work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, > but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
I have no idea where you got your information but there have been far more
than tweaks. The engine is state of the art SMEFI OHC V8, with individual coil packs that can get 25 MPG. The tranny is an electronically controlled unit. The CVs frame, body and suspension are all new, as well, since 2000. The CV and GM are both built to far exceed both the front and rear NHTSA crash standards. A build standard that exceeds every other car on the market. Hardy of ancient origin mike hunt "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mE2Gg.10210$RQ5.3180@trnddc03... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL >> >> Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 >> >> >> mike > > > No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design > work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, > but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. > > John |
Re: Retails Sales Ranking in California: 1) Toyota 2) Honda 3) Ford 4) Chevrolet
You forgot to say in my opinion. The current CV/GM have nothing in common
with those built in the eighties or the nineties except that they are still build on a RWD chassis LOL mike hunt "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mE2Gg.10210$RQ5.3180@trnddc03... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> By 'ancient design' do you mean RWD, like the 'new' Dodge? LOL >> >> Fords current plans are to build the CV and GM through 2008 >> >> >> mike > > > No, I mean that the vehicle was introduced in 1992 based on 1980s design > work. Sure there have been tweaks, updates and freshenings along the way, > but it still is the oldest car design still being sold in the US today. > > John |
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