Timothy Stoughton

the maintance light is turned off by pushing the odometer button hold
it turn on the key hold the button for six seconds the light goes off

jim beam

Brian Smith wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:34gdp3d226bp75sfrm94gcq2ldoa7080h6@4ax.com...
>> Damn straight.
>
> Yet people like you, come here to ask the same old questions and READ
> the answers. You could cut out the middleman and just read the manual in the
> first place.

think about it - the answers are already both in his glove box /and/
online, yet he's asking the question anyway. therefore it's all about
the, er, "social interaction" and not about the car. like those morons
bleating about washer fluid.

bottom line, don't complain, just ignore their dumb asses. if you don't
play, they'll get bored and f*** off. elmo, you rise to the bait all
the freakin' time - you have some interesting and valuable comments to
make some times, but wasting your precious bodily fluids on idiots is
utterly pointless.

John Grossbohlin

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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| "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
| news:34gdp3d226bp75sfrm94gcq2ldoa7080h6@4ax.com...
| >
| > Damn straight.
|
| Yet people like you, come here to ask the same old questions and READ
| the answers. You could cut out the middleman and just read the manual in
the
| first place.

I think there is an issue of expectations here... If you've purchased new
cars in the past, particularly if you've done so over a period of 10, 20,
30+ years, but not every year, you expect to find a service schedule in the
manual or service log book even if you do read the manual. As such, it might
help matters if the dealer rep who delivers the car explained that the
maintenance schedule is determined by and reported by the car itself rather
than listed in some part of the documents provided. It may take a while for
people's expectations to catch up with the technology...

John

Brian Smith

"John Grossbohlin" <nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> I think there is an issue of expectations here...

I agree, normal people would expect the purchaser of a new vehicle to
read the Owners Manual. It only makes sense.

> If you've purchased new
> cars in the past, particularly if you've done so over a period of 10, 20,
> 30+ years, but not every year, you expect to find a service schedule in
> the
> manual or service log book even if you do read the manual. As such, it
> might
> help matters if the dealer rep who delivers the car explained that the
> maintenance schedule is determined by and reported by the car itself
> rather
> than listed in some part of the documents provided. It may take a while
> for
> people's expectations to catch up with the technology...

Use the same old tried and true methods that have worked over the last
forty years and have no worries.

John Grossbohlin

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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| "John Grossbohlin" <nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
| news:13pfi5530pi83e8@corp.supernews.com...
| >
| > I think there is an issue of expectations here...

| Use the same old tried and true methods that have worked over the last
| forty years and have no worries.

Of course, it's human nature! ...and it goes the other way too. I've met a
lot of kids who have never "dialed" a phone and aren't sure what to do with
a rotary phone, cannot tell the time on a clock with hands, have no idea how
to use the most basic of tools or function in the woods, and wouldn't even
fathom the notion of walking somewhere... It's what you were socialized to
as you grew up. In the case of the service manuals, even though the manual
mentions the service related lights and displays, in the back of the mind
the notion of a schedule exists so the search for a schedule is under
taken... Does it make good sense? Probably not... but then one could argue
that much of the technology doesn't make sense, e.g., Power windows? What's
wrong with a crank? LOL

jim beam

Brian Smith wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin" <nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13pfi5530pi83e8@corp.supernews.com...
>> I think there is an issue of expectations here...
>
> I agree, normal people would expect the purchaser of a new vehicle to
> read the Owners Manual. It only makes sense.
>
>> If you've purchased new
>> cars in the past, particularly if you've done so over a period of 10, 20,
>> 30+ years, but not every year, you expect to find a service schedule in
>> the
>> manual or service log book even if you do read the manual. As such, it
>> might
>> help matters if the dealer rep who delivers the car explained that the
>> maintenance schedule is determined by and reported by the car itself
>> rather
>> than listed in some part of the documents provided. It may take a while
>> for
>> people's expectations to catch up with the technology...
>
> Use the same old tried and true methods that have worked over the last
> forty years and have no worries.

that's retarded. it's like putting a sophisticated computerized usage
monitoring system [developed over many years and at the cost of many
millions of dollars] on an expensive piece of machinery, then using a
calendar to find out when it's due for maintenance. oh, wait...

Howard

Every (approximate) 7500 miles the service needed light will come on and a
code will be shown (at least on my 07 v6 accord). That code will be
referenced in either the owners manual or the service log manual that came
with the car.

For the V6 at 7500 it was an oil change ($9.95) at my dealer if you bought
the car there. At 15,000 it was oil change, rotate and balance, top fluids
and check filters, brakes, suspension and for loose things etc. That was
about $100 including oil change. At 22,500 it will be $9.95 oil change
again. Pretty cheap in this phase of the cars life.

Howard

"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> OK, I looked at the owners manual, and while there are about ten pages
> on how to operate the radio, there is no good ol' fashioned
> maintenance schedule, that I can see. And the Honda site seems to
> just refer you to your local dealer for advice, hah.
>
> I thought one of the sales points on these beasts was "no tuneups for
> 100,000 miles", but that was never exactly true, I mean, you still
> need oil changes, filter changes, brakes, tires, and ... what else?
>
> I'm at 12k miles, the "oil life 5%" message is showing (already
> changed once around 6k miles), so it's time for something, but is it
> just the oil change, or more? I know my local dealer now recommends
> "minor service" for $140, which consists mainly of oil, lube, checking
> everything, a quick courtesy wash, "and resetting maintenance light".
>
> Thanks.
>
> J.
>

JXStern

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:07:11 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>I think there is an issue of expectations here... If you've purchased new
>cars in the past, particularly if you've done so over a period of 10, 20,
>30+ years, but not every year, you expect to find a service schedule in the
>manual or service log book even if you do read the manual. As such, it might
>help matters if the dealer rep who delivers the car explained that the
>maintenance schedule is determined by and reported by the car itself rather
>than listed in some part of the documents provided. It may take a while for
>people's expectations to catch up with the technology...

Exactly.

I saw this new widget, and my reaction was, "hey, cute, it reminds you
TO LOOK IN THE BOOK. Then I looked in the book, and it says, "light
comes on, go to dealer." Huh? Where's the map? It would be GOOD
DOCUMENTATION to include the map in the users manual, that the widget
is following.

So, to resolve the issue, preparatory to calling the dealer who I
quite expect to attempt some modest rip-offs, I come and ask a
question.

Read the manual. Come on, guys, who on earth RTFMs? More to the
point, who on earth writes manuals worth reading? This one sucked.
It should have said, "Hey, we're serious, there isn't a fixed schedule
anymore, but here's the rough order the widget will follow."

AND, they should tell the f'ing dealers, so they can list "A-1 service
for $9.95, B-1 service for $69.95," or whatever. Since that does NOT
appear on their flyers, that is ANOTHER mismatch the Honda
organization can work on.

For that matter, why have codes in a book? Have a little voice come
out of the dash, "Honored Honda driver, please take car to dealer-san
for service and have them change my oil!" A-1. What kind of system
design is that?

J.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <kufgp3hd66319cql1nm7o819lkk0i83lou@4ax.com>,
JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote:

> Come on, guys, who on earth RTFMs?

yeah. I mean, you just spent $25,000 on your shiny new toy--why should
you bother to know anything about it?

Ignorance is to be celebrated, right? Just like the boyz in the hood.
Keepin' it real, right?

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <UBVlj.341$5K1.242@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
"Howard" <harold@excite.com> wrote:

> Every (approximate) 7500 miles the service needed light will come on and a
> code will be shown (at least on my 07 v6 accord). That code will be
> referenced in either the owners manual or the service log manual that came
> with the car.

Exactly.

But he doesn't want to be bothered to read the manual. Apparently,
spending $25,000 for a shiny new toy isn't enough for him to want to
know how it all works.

I bet he blindly signed his mortgage papers and never had a lawyer check
everything over, either. After all, it's only $300,000. Why spend $600
on a lawyer to tell him anything about it?

Howard Lester

"JXStern" wrote

> Read the manual. Come on, guys, who on earth RTFMs?

You read the F one for your nice new SONY Bravia, didn't you?

BTW, if you don't trust your dealer to tell you the truth about required
service and service intervals, you shouldn't be going there.

Say What?

JXStern wrote:

>
> Read the manual. Come on, guys, who on earth RTFMs? More to the

Apparently, those of us who provided you with the substantive answers to
your question(s) read it. Thus, we were able to provide the answer.
Are we seeing a pattern here?

> point, who on earth writes manuals worth reading? This one sucked.
> It should have said, "Hey, we're serious, there isn't a fixed schedule
> anymore, but here's the rough order the widget will follow."

You apparently didn't read it properly. The schedule is pretty well
fixed, what is variable is the service interval.

> For that matter, why have codes in a book? Have a little voice come
> out of the dash, "Honored Honda driver, please take car to dealer-san
> for service and have them change my oil!" A-1. What kind of system
> design is that?

That would be an invaluable system for the dolts incapable of reading
and/or understanding the printed word but would undoubtedly add to the
cost of the vehicle.