Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
02-20-2006, 07:22 PM
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Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
the car. It drives great.
But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
difference causing it to stand out.
This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
the swap.
Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
PJ
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the car. It drives great.
But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
difference causing it to stand out.
This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
the swap.
Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
PJ
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02-20-2006, 08:10 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
"Patrick Maloney" <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole
> and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
Let them do the swap and then decide if you're happy with how the colours
match up between the body panels.
Brian
02-20-2006, 08:35 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
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> Let them do the swap and then decide if you're happy with how the
> colours match up between the body panels.
>
Yeah, I'm sort of leaning that way...
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> Let them do the swap and then decide if you're happy with how the
> colours match up between the body panels.
>
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02-20-2006, 09:09 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
In article <Xns9770C5696ADB0patXXrickmalXXoneyho@24.24.2.165> ,
patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com says...
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
>
Had the same thing with my 01 Sunfire and after they swapped the bumper
I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.
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patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com says...
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
>
Had the same thing with my 01 Sunfire and after they swapped the bumper
I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.
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02-20-2006, 11:00 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:09:30 GMT, Jan <myredsunfire@shaw.ca> wrote:
>In article <Xns9770C5696ADB0patXXrickmalXXoneyho@24.24.2.165> ,
>patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com says...
>> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
>> the car. It drives great.
>>
>> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
>> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
>> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>>
>> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
>> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
>> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
>> difference causing it to stand out.
>>
>> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
>> the swap.
>>
>> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>>
>> PJ
>>
>>
>Had the same thing with my 01 Sunfire and after they swapped the bumper
>I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
>look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.
let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
match the car!! Now does it smell funny????
Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
lip.
Chip
>In article <Xns9770C5696ADB0patXXrickmalXXoneyho@24.24.2.165> ,
>patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com says...
>> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
>> the car. It drives great.
>>
>> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
>> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
>> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>>
>> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
>> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
>> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
>> difference causing it to stand out.
>>
>> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
>> the swap.
>>
>> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>>
>> PJ
>>
>>
>Had the same thing with my 01 Sunfire and after they swapped the bumper
>I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
>look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.
let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
match the car!! Now does it smell funny????
Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
lip.
Chip
02-20-2006, 11:25 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
chip <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote in
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>
> let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
> match the car!! Now does it smell funny????
> Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
> lip.
>
That's a good point...forgot about that.
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>
>
> let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
> match the car!! Now does it smell funny????
> Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
> lip.
>
That's a good point...forgot about that.
02-20-2006, 11:51 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
Patrick Maloney wrote:
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
If they do the swap, are you obligated to buy? I'd ask for the swap on
the condition you can back out, if they are that confident in their
work, they should agree.
OTOH, you may go through the bumper swap only to have some moron bump
you in the mall parking lot.
02-21-2006, 01:54 AM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
In article <Xns9770C5696ADB0patXXrickmalXXoneyho@24.24.2.165> ,
Patrick Maloney <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
There's no problem with doing this.
As an alternative, you could have them refinish the bumper cover.
That's very inexpensive, and you won't know the difference. I'm amazed
at what they can do with bumper covers. I had one that was seriously
screwed up in a minor accident, and it came back looking better than
ever--as a repair, not a replacement.
But, of course, my car was a few years old at the time. Why would you
accept anything like this for a new car? You pay a premium for a new
car over a used one; why would you buy anything less than EXACTLY what
you're looking for?
Accepting this kind of a deal is good only for the dealer, not for the
buyer. He wants to move the car. Why should you take it?
This is part of negotiating. What do you get out of taking this car
with a swapped or repaired bumper cover?
If the answer is "I get the car I want NOW", then you're exactly the
sucker the dealer likes dealing with. You let emotion get in the way of
a business deal--which means you lose, every time.
There's no need to get emotional about a silly car. You know the same
car with zero damage is available somewhere else, or will be available
at this dealer. Why would you spend that kind of money to fulfill a
very temporary emotional satisfaction?
Delayed gratification is just fine. If the world doesn't offer what you
want when you want it, go with the flow. It's not like they're not
selling Accords left and right. It's not like this is some antique
Ferrari you're buying off of Ebay and you won't ever be able to find one
like it again. It's a new Accord, fer chrissakes.
Patrick Maloney <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
There's no problem with doing this.
As an alternative, you could have them refinish the bumper cover.
That's very inexpensive, and you won't know the difference. I'm amazed
at what they can do with bumper covers. I had one that was seriously
screwed up in a minor accident, and it came back looking better than
ever--as a repair, not a replacement.
But, of course, my car was a few years old at the time. Why would you
accept anything like this for a new car? You pay a premium for a new
car over a used one; why would you buy anything less than EXACTLY what
you're looking for?
Accepting this kind of a deal is good only for the dealer, not for the
buyer. He wants to move the car. Why should you take it?
This is part of negotiating. What do you get out of taking this car
with a swapped or repaired bumper cover?
If the answer is "I get the car I want NOW", then you're exactly the
sucker the dealer likes dealing with. You let emotion get in the way of
a business deal--which means you lose, every time.
There's no need to get emotional about a silly car. You know the same
car with zero damage is available somewhere else, or will be available
at this dealer. Why would you spend that kind of money to fulfill a
very temporary emotional satisfaction?
Delayed gratification is just fine. If the world doesn't offer what you
want when you want it, go with the flow. It's not like they're not
selling Accords left and right. It's not like this is some antique
Ferrari you're buying off of Ebay and you won't ever be able to find one
like it again. It's a new Accord, fer chrissakes.
02-21-2006, 06:29 AM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
type of body damage.
I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the front
bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking island,
the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as they
promised within 30 days, they said:
Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30 day
return policy was voided. So ask for another car fresh from the production
line or go somewhere else.
"Patrick Maloney" <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole
and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
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type of body damage.
I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the front
bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking island,
the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as they
promised within 30 days, they said:
Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30 day
return policy was voided. So ask for another car fresh from the production
line or go somewhere else.
"Patrick Maloney" <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole
and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
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02-21-2006, 07:20 AM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
"murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
> type of body damage.
> I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the
> front
> bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
> I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
> bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking
> island,
> the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
> When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as they
> promised within 30 days, they said:
> Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30 day
> return policy was voided.
Let me get this straight. YOU did damage to the car and YOU expected the
dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
what you are saying?
02-21-2006, 09:19 AM
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I would rather have the swap than a repainted bumper. The question is how
good are they swapping it without damaging the good one.
I'd get a little off the price if I was taking a car like this. Maybe throw
in a few accessories or service?
G-Man
"Patrick Maloney" <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole
> and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
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good are they swapping it without damaging the good one.
I'd get a little off the price if I was taking a car like this. Maybe throw
in a few accessories or service?
G-Man
"Patrick Maloney" <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9770C5696ADB0patXXrickmalXXoneyho@24.24.2. 165...
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl. I love
> the car. It drives great.
>
> But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear. They tried to buff it
> out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse. The
> scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.
>
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
> issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole
> and,
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.
>
> This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
> the swap.
>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap? I really do like the car.
>
> PJ
>
> --
>
> Remove both XX's from e-mail to reply.
02-21-2006, 11:01 AM
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Waiving the right to remain silent, Patrick Maloney
<patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> said:
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal
> with the issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was
> painted as a whole and, while the colors might be named the
> same, there might be some slight difference causing it to stand
> out.
If they are plastic bumpers, then they are probably not painted at
the same time as the body. Different paint formulations, IIRC.
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<patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> said:
> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal
> with the issue. I said no, thinking that the entire car was
> painted as a whole and, while the colors might be named the
> same, there might be some slight difference causing it to stand
> out.
If they are plastic bumpers, then they are probably not painted at
the same time as the body. Different paint formulations, IIRC.
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02-21-2006, 01:00 PM
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I know you love the car, and your not asking me for your advice, just
keep in mind that within a few months, your have a lot more then just a
few scratches on your bumper, rear and front. No car can stay in
pervert condition, well, unless you never drive it.
keep in mind that within a few months, your have a lot more then just a
few scratches on your bumper, rear and front. No car can stay in
pervert condition, well, unless you never drive it.
02-21-2006, 01:15 PM
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Take a step-back, and a deep breath, and walk away from the deal.
Either wait for another one just like it from the same dealer, or find
one at another dealer. First of all, show patience in your purchase of
the new Accord, or you will be forever sorry that you went ahead with
the purchase. Don't EVER fall in love with a particular sample of a
new car; just like women, there are plenty of them out there!
Either wait for another one just like it from the same dealer, or find
one at another dealer. First of all, show patience in your purchase of
the new Accord, or you will be forever sorry that you went ahead with
the purchase. Don't EVER fall in love with a particular sample of a
new car; just like women, there are plenty of them out there!
02-21-2006, 07:18 PM
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Re: Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?
Brian,
Perhaps you don't understand.
The bumper is supposed to sustain damage in excess of 5 mph without falling
apart. What I did was back up at perhaps at almost 0 mph with the bottom of
the bumper barely rubbing against a parking island (you could hardly hear
it).
Do you really think that the whole bumper should come apart under these
conditions?
I'm 73 years old and have owned about 12 different cars during that time and
none of them ever lost a bumper.
And, I might add that I've been a lot harder on those cars than the Saturn.
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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> "murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:RRCKf.1209$jl.322@fe09.lga...
> > If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had
any
> > type of body damage.
> > I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the
> > front
> > bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
> > I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
> > bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking
> > island,
> > the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
> > When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as
they
> > promised within 30 days, they said:
> > Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30
day
> > return policy was voided.
>
> Let me get this straight. YOU did damage to the car and YOU expected the
> dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
> what you are saying?
>
>
>
>
Perhaps you don't understand.
The bumper is supposed to sustain damage in excess of 5 mph without falling
apart. What I did was back up at perhaps at almost 0 mph with the bottom of
the bumper barely rubbing against a parking island (you could hardly hear
it).
Do you really think that the whole bumper should come apart under these
conditions?
I'm 73 years old and have owned about 12 different cars during that time and
none of them ever lost a bumper.
And, I might add that I've been a lot harder on those cars than the Saturn.
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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> "murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:RRCKf.1209$jl.322@fe09.lga...
> > If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had
any
> > type of body damage.
> > I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the
> > front
> > bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
> > I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
> > bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking
> > island,
> > the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
> > When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as
they
> > promised within 30 days, they said:
> > Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30
day
> > return policy was voided.
>
> Let me get this straight. YOU did damage to the car and YOU expected the
> dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
> what you are saying?
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