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Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> Also, do you know who makes the Wal*Mart filters? I would think they would > be Fram or Purolater. > Champion Laboratories. Champ also makes many AC-Delco branded filters and the STP brand sold at AutoZone. Champ used to make filters for Bosch USA, but that stopped when Bosch bought Purolator. |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
Michael Pardee wrote: > "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:bpGdnddfn5p9XrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > >>theoretically yes, but i've seen motors run dry, and they rarely squeal - >>they just seize up. or they clatter if the bearings melt. squealing is >>usually belts or clutch bearings. >> > > > That's been my experience. Unless they have hydraulic lifters (which clatter > like crazy without oil) there is usually little warning :-( A > sister-in-law asked me to look at her Buick, which died when she came to a > red light. She asked if it could be related to the banging noise she had > heard, and I felt cold. Sure enough, a socket on the crankshaft felt like I > had hooked up to a solid piece of metal. Seems the oil warning light had > burnt out and she never checked the oil or had it changed. > > Mike > > Mike > ....and still, "they" ask what the difference is between wimin 'n men... <G> JT |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
John Horner wrote: > Jeff wrote: > >> about the fram oil filter. they are good oil filters. probably the >> best for the money they cost. > > > Oh really? What information do you base this on? The construction > quality of Fram filters compared to others is hardly inspiring of > confidence. > Yep, Fram which at one time manufactured a quality product back in the old days in East Providence, RI has long relegated quality for a quick buck by selling virtual junk. No Frams on any of my "babies," even though I'm a RI native! JT |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:xtCdneAW_Okz37nbnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Paul S wrote: >> Hi - I had a very serious event happen tonight during an attempted oil >> change with my 2004 Honda Accord (LX, 4dr., 2.4 litre). In fact, I am >> wondering if I've ruined my car. I am sitting here writing this with >> 4.2 litres of 5W-20 synthetic all over my garage floor at the moment, >> all of which came gushing out from around a new Bosch oil > <snip waffly story> > > the chances of total engine failure in that time frame is very slight. > what happened was that the old filter seal was stuck to the block, then > you put another on top of it with the new filter. the old one blew out > under the pressure. > > simply refit a new filter - NEVER EVER EVER EVER USE FRAM - and refill > with oil. > > seriously, don't use fram filters - not only are they terrible for the > problem you just experienced, they're not very good at filtering either. > if you want to go cheap, buy walmart st3593a filters. otherwise, buy > honda or denso filters online. I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy removal. > > next time, learn to ALWAYS check for old gaskets stuck to the block. > |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
L Alpert wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:xtCdneAW_Okz37nbnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Paul S wrote: >>> Hi - I had a very serious event happen tonight during an attempted oil >>> change with my 2004 Honda Accord (LX, 4dr., 2.4 litre). In fact, I am >>> wondering if I've ruined my car. I am sitting here writing this with >>> 4.2 litres of 5W-20 synthetic all over my garage floor at the moment, >>> all of which came gushing out from around a new Bosch oil >> <snip waffly story> >> >> the chances of total engine failure in that time frame is very slight. >> what happened was that the old filter seal was stuck to the block, then >> you put another on top of it with the new filter. the old one blew out >> under the pressure. >> >> simply refit a new filter - NEVER EVER EVER EVER USE FRAM - and refill >> with oil. >> >> seriously, don't use fram filters - not only are they terrible for the >> problem you just experienced, they're not very good at filtering either. >> if you want to go cheap, buy walmart st3593a filters. otherwise, buy >> honda or denso filters online. > > I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy > removal. k&n don't filter much though - very high particle throughput. i wouldn't compromise engine life for the sake of saving a buck on a proper filter wrench. > > >> next time, learn to ALWAYS check for old gaskets stuck to the block. >> > > |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
L Alpert wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:xtCdneAW_Okz37nbnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Paul S wrote: >>> Hi - I had a very serious event happen tonight during an attempted oil >>> change with my 2004 Honda Accord (LX, 4dr., 2.4 litre). In fact, I am >>> wondering if I've ruined my car. I am sitting here writing this with >>> 4.2 litres of 5W-20 synthetic all over my garage floor at the moment, >>> all of which came gushing out from around a new Bosch oil >> <snip waffly story> >> >> the chances of total engine failure in that time frame is very slight. >> what happened was that the old filter seal was stuck to the block, then >> you put another on top of it with the new filter. the old one blew out >> under the pressure. >> >> simply refit a new filter - NEVER EVER EVER EVER USE FRAM - and refill >> with oil. >> >> seriously, don't use fram filters - not only are they terrible for the >> problem you just experienced, they're not very good at filtering either. >> if you want to go cheap, buy walmart st3593a filters. otherwise, buy >> honda or denso filters online. > > I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy > removal. k&n don't filter much though - very high particle throughput. i wouldn't compromise engine life for the sake of saving a buck on a proper filter wrench. > > >> next time, learn to ALWAYS check for old gaskets stuck to the block. >> > > |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net>
wrote: >I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >removal. I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html - Paul S. |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net>
wrote: >I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >removal. I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html - Paul S. |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
"Paul S" <pauls@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lkml23h25shhjsnv0qcvnu8neq9ib68otc@4ax.com... > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >>I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >>removal. > > I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an > interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local > dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and > another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter > now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that > the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter > are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, > but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands > for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was > significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm > going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N > at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. > Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them > may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html > > - Paul S. > I have a 2004 and 2001 6 cyl Accords, and the filters are different diameters. > > |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
"Paul S" <pauls@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lkml23h25shhjsnv0qcvnu8neq9ib68otc@4ax.com... > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >>I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >>removal. > > I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an > interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local > dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and > another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter > now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that > the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter > are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, > but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands > for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was > significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm > going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N > at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. > Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them > may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html > > - Paul S. > I have a 2004 and 2001 6 cyl Accords, and the filters are different diameters. > > |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
On 4/21/2007 11:08 PM Paul S spake these words of knowledge:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >>I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >>removal. > > I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an > interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local > dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and > another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter > now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that > the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter > are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, > but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands > for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was > significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm > going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N > at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. > Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them > may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html > > - Paul S. I have a 2001 Odyssey (6-cylinder) and a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder. The filters are the same. In my case, verified with American Honda, my dealer, and several online Genuine Honda Parts retailers. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "If you want a good argument against democracy, just spend ten minutes with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
On 4/21/2007 11:08 PM Paul S spake these words of knowledge:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:02:36 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >>I prefer the K&N filters. They have a 1" nut welded on them for easy >>removal. > > I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an > interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local > dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and > another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter > now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that > the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter > are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, > but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands > for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was > significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm > going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N > at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. > Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them > may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html > > - Paul S. I have a 2001 Odyssey (6-cylinder) and a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder. The filters are the same. In my case, verified with American Honda, my dealer, and several online Genuine Honda Parts retailers. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "If you want a good argument against democracy, just spend ten minutes with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5TIWh.6318$H_5.1524@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t... > > "Paul S" <pauls@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:lkml23h25shhjsnv0qcvnu8neq9ib68otc@4ax.com... >> >> I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an >> interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local >> dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and >> another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter >> now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that >> the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter >> are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, >> but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands >> for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was >> significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm >> going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N >> at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. >> Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them >> may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): >> >> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a >> >> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html >> >> - Paul S. >> > > I have a 2004 and 2001 6 cyl Accords, and the filters are different > diameters. > I think the "one size" is just for the 4 cylinders. My daughter's '93 Accord was also affected by the part change. I was dubious but the Honda counterman said the new, smaller filter was as good as the older style. Honda has been pretty smart with most of their materials, so I'm going with them on this. FWIW, the OEM filter for our Toyota Prius cars is about the same size. Mike |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5TIWh.6318$H_5.1524@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t... > > "Paul S" <pauls@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:lkml23h25shhjsnv0qcvnu8neq9ib68otc@4ax.com... >> >> I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an >> interesting experience. When I told the parts guy at the local >> dealership that I wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and >> another for my '92, I was informed, "they are the same filter >> now...we've gone to one size for both cars." What troubled me was that >> the dimensions of this new "one size fits all" Honda Canada oil filter >> are actually pretty small. It would be an appropriate size for my '92, >> but relatively smaller than what is usually available in other brands >> for my '04. Also, this filter seemed somewhat flimsy, and was >> significantly lighter in weight than a Bosch of the same size. So I'm >> going to generally stick with the latter for now, but I will try K&N >> at some point. Currently, I've also got an Amsoil filter on my '04. >> Two interesting links on the oil filter debate (I think one of them >> may be from Tegger's excellent Honda website): >> >> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...html#fram-dg8a >> >> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html >> >> - Paul S. >> > > I have a 2004 and 2001 6 cyl Accords, and the filters are different > diameters. > I think the "one size" is just for the 4 cylinders. My daughter's '93 Accord was also affected by the part change. I was dubious but the Honda counterman said the new, smaller filter was as good as the older style. Honda has been pretty smart with most of their materials, so I'm going with them on this. FWIW, the OEM filter for our Toyota Prius cars is about the same size. Mike |
Re: TOTAL Oil Loss....Have I Ruined My Engine?
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:08:33 -0400, Paul S wrote:
> I bought a Honda Canada oil filter the other day and had an interesting > experience. When I told the parts guy at the local dealership that I > wanted two filters, one for my '04 accord and another for my '92, I was > informed, Toyota did this years ago! Two sizes fit all. One size for the smaller engines, and one for the bigger. No problem! |
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