Grumpy au Contraire

"Barry S." wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> Wilson) wrote:
>
> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> >>
> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> >> fill?
> >>
> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> >
> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> >
> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>
> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>
> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> the same.
>
>


You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Grumpy au Contraire

"Barry S." wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> Wilson) wrote:
>
> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> >>
> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> >> fill?
> >>
> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> >
> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> >
> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>
> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>
> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> the same.
>
>


You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Barry S.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:37:26 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
<Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
>"Barry S." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
>> Wilson) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
>> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
>> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
>> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
>> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
>> >>
>> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
>> >> fill?
>> >>
>> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
>> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
>> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
>> >
>> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
>> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
>> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
>> >
>> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>>
>> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
>> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
>> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
>> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
>> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
>> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>>
>> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
>> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
>> the same.
>>
>
>You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Mine doesn't.

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Barry S.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:37:26 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
<Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
>"Barry S." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
>> Wilson) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
>> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
>> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
>> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
>> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
>> >>
>> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
>> >> fill?
>> >>
>> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
>> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
>> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
>> >
>> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
>> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
>> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
>> >
>> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>>
>> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
>> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
>> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
>> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
>> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
>> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>>
>> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
>> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
>> the same.
>>
>
>You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Mine doesn't.

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Barry S.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:37:26 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
<Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
>"Barry S." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
>> Wilson) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
>> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
>> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
>> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
>> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
>> >>
>> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
>> >> fill?
>> >>
>> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
>> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
>> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
>> >
>> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
>> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
>> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
>> >
>> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>>
>> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
>> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
>> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
>> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
>> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
>> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>>
>> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
>> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
>> the same.
>>
>
>You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Mine doesn't.

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Barry S.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:37:26 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
<Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
>"Barry S." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
>> Wilson) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
>> >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
>> >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
>> >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
>> >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
>> >>
>> >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
>> >> fill?
>> >>
>> >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
>> >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
>> >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
>> >
>> >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
>> >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
>> >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
>> >
>> >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
>>
>> Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
>> Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
>> easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
>> transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
>> pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
>> 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
>>
>> Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
>> I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
>> the same.
>>
>
>You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?

Mine doesn't.

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Tom Wilson

In article <400741C2.6829BC70@doofis.FAKEcom>, Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom wrote:

> "Barry S." wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> > Wilson) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> > >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> > >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> > >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> > >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> > >>
> > >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> > >> fill?
> > >>
> > >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> > >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> > >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> > >
> > >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> > >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> > >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> > >
> > >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
> >
> > Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> > Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> > easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> > transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> > pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> > 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
> >
> > Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> > I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> > the same.
> >
> >
>
>
> You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?
>
> Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...

Eventually, your 1963 Studebaker will develop serious engine
problems--that happens to ALL motors eventually--at that point in
time--what sort of vehicle will you buy? A Honda might not be a perfect
vehicle but it's one of the best vehicles presently for sale. I hope that
you will at least consider a Honda if your Studebaker quits running. I
should also congratulate you on keeping the Studebaker running for so many
years. You must really take great care of that car.

Tom Wilson

In article <400741C2.6829BC70@doofis.FAKEcom>, Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom wrote:

> "Barry S." wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> > Wilson) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> > >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> > >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> > >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> > >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> > >>
> > >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> > >> fill?
> > >>
> > >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> > >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> > >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> > >
> > >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> > >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> > >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> > >
> > >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
> >
> > Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> > Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> > easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> > transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> > pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> > 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
> >
> > Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> > I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> > the same.
> >
> >
>
>
> You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?
>
> Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...

Eventually, your 1963 Studebaker will develop serious engine
problems--that happens to ALL motors eventually--at that point in
time--what sort of vehicle will you buy? A Honda might not be a perfect
vehicle but it's one of the best vehicles presently for sale. I hope that
you will at least consider a Honda if your Studebaker quits running. I
should also congratulate you on keeping the Studebaker running for so many
years. You must really take great care of that car.

Tom Wilson

In article <400741C2.6829BC70@doofis.FAKEcom>, Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom wrote:

> "Barry S." wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> > Wilson) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> > >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> > >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> > >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> > >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> > >>
> > >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> > >> fill?
> > >>
> > >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> > >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> > >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> > >
> > >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> > >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> > >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> > >
> > >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
> >
> > Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> > Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> > easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> > transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> > pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> > 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
> >
> > Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> > I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> > the same.
> >
> >
>
>
> You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?
>
> Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...

Eventually, your 1963 Studebaker will develop serious engine
problems--that happens to ALL motors eventually--at that point in
time--what sort of vehicle will you buy? A Honda might not be a perfect
vehicle but it's one of the best vehicles presently for sale. I hope that
you will at least consider a Honda if your Studebaker quits running. I
should also congratulate you on keeping the Studebaker running for so many
years. You must really take great care of that car.

Tom Wilson

In article <400741C2.6829BC70@doofis.FAKEcom>, Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom wrote:

> "Barry S." wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:13:41 -0800, tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom
> > Wilson) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <4c3ac3f0.0401142341.56440240@posting.google.com >,
> > >kilroybass@catlover.com (Kilroy Bass) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a 94 Honda Accord, automatic. I called my Honda service
> > >> mechanic and asked for an estimate on a transmission flush and fill.
> > >> The response I got was that the dealer doesn't do flush and fill, but
> > >> a DRAIN AND FILL.
> > >>
> > >> Basically, is there a difference between flush and fill vs drain and
> > >> fill?
> > >>
> > >> I've never dealt with transmission fluid ever in the lifetime of my
> > >> car, only regular oil changes. I thought it was high time to change
> > >> the fluid since it's been quite long time driven.
> > >
> > >Yes, there is a difference. A local transmission shop advertises a flush
> > >and fill. However, it's just a way to get you to go to their transmission
> > >shop instead of the car dealership or some other transmission shop.
> > >
> > >A drain and fill works just as great as a flush and fill.
> >
> > Not exactly. A drain and fill only gets about 1/2 of the fluid out.
> > Half of it is still sitting in the torque converter. (Which isn't
> > easily drainable without removing.) A flush is a complete fluid
> > transfer. It completely displaces old fluid with new fluid. They
> > pump in new fluid until the fluid that comes out is clean, it can take
> > 10 or 15 qts of transmission fluid..
> >
> > Also, considering what flushes cost (usually about a $100+ service) --
> > I'd rather drain and fill twice a year. The end result is essentially
> > the same.
> >
> >
>
>
> You mean to say that Hondas do not have a converter drain plug?
>
> Another reason to keep driving my 1963 Studebaker...

Eventually, your 1963 Studebaker will develop serious engine
problems--that happens to ALL motors eventually--at that point in
time--what sort of vehicle will you buy? A Honda might not be a perfect
vehicle but it's one of the best vehicles presently for sale. I hope that
you will at least consider a Honda if your Studebaker quits running. I
should also congratulate you on keeping the Studebaker running for so many
years. You must really take great care of that car.