BE

On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com,
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:58 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented the
>> miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug was
>> incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place. I
>> guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one
>> back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss...
>
> An incorrect washer might cause a leak problem but won't change oil
> consumption. you would have to be making a huge mess for a leak to
> cause measurable oil loss. Be aware that the correct washer is called
> a crush washer because it is crushed when installed and should be
> thinner when removed than before it was installed. That is why it
> should be replaced each time.
>
> If I understand correctly, the dealer has measured and acknowledged
> that your consumption is greater than 1 qt./1000 mi. Hopefully you
> have this documented in writing. If the dealer does acknowledge that
> the engine needs repair, insist on talking to the Honda rep. The 1000
> mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Even being near it
> should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are
> over it, even by just a little, they should fix it.
>
The mileage calculation of 900 miles per quart was made by me, therefore it
is not trusted.

Be

BE

On 6/3/06 1:36 AM, in article 44812DEE.6F4B9642@spam.now, "Eric"
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:

> BE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented
>> the miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug
>> was incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place.
>> I guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the
>> wrong one back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the
>> oil loss...
>
> Do you see oil drips where you park, e.g., garage, driveway, etc.?
>
> Eric

No drips anywhere. We have a new, clean garage floor (since 2005) that has
not a drop upon it.

Be

BE

On 6/3/06 1:36 AM, in article 44812DEE.6F4B9642@spam.now, "Eric"
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:

> BE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented
>> the miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug
>> was incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place.
>> I guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the
>> wrong one back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the
>> oil loss...
>
> Do you see oil drips where you park, e.g., garage, driveway, etc.?
>
> Eric

No drips anywhere. We have a new, clean garage floor (since 2005) that has
not a drop upon it.

Be

BE

On 6/3/06 1:36 AM, in article 44812DEE.6F4B9642@spam.now, "Eric"
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:

> BE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented
>> the miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug
>> was incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place.
>> I guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the
>> wrong one back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the
>> oil loss...
>
> Do you see oil drips where you park, e.g., garage, driveway, etc.?
>
> Eric

No drips anywhere. We have a new, clean garage floor (since 2005) that has
not a drop upon it.

Be

Gordon McGrew

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:27:30 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com,
>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:58 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented the
>>> miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug was
>>> incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place. I
>>> guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one
>>> back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss...
>>
>> An incorrect washer might cause a leak problem but won't change oil
>> consumption. you would have to be making a huge mess for a leak to
>> cause measurable oil loss. Be aware that the correct washer is called
>> a crush washer because it is crushed when installed and should be
>> thinner when removed than before it was installed. That is why it
>> should be replaced each time.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, the dealer has measured and acknowledged
>> that your consumption is greater than 1 qt./1000 mi. Hopefully you
>> have this documented in writing. If the dealer does acknowledge that
>> the engine needs repair, insist on talking to the Honda rep. The 1000
>> mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Even being near it
>> should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are
>> over it, even by just a little, they should fix it.
>>
>The mileage calculation of 900 miles per quart was made by me, therefore it
>is not trusted.
>
>Be

Well, then they have to measure it. Ask them how they want to do
that. In the mean time make sure they document that the customer has
reported oil consumption greater than 1qt. per 1000 miles.

Gordon McGrew

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:27:30 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com,
>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:58 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented the
>>> miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug was
>>> incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place. I
>>> guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one
>>> back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss...
>>
>> An incorrect washer might cause a leak problem but won't change oil
>> consumption. you would have to be making a huge mess for a leak to
>> cause measurable oil loss. Be aware that the correct washer is called
>> a crush washer because it is crushed when installed and should be
>> thinner when removed than before it was installed. That is why it
>> should be replaced each time.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, the dealer has measured and acknowledged
>> that your consumption is greater than 1 qt./1000 mi. Hopefully you
>> have this documented in writing. If the dealer does acknowledge that
>> the engine needs repair, insist on talking to the Honda rep. The 1000
>> mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Even being near it
>> should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are
>> over it, even by just a little, they should fix it.
>>
>The mileage calculation of 900 miles per quart was made by me, therefore it
>is not trusted.
>
>Be

Well, then they have to measure it. Ask them how they want to do
that. In the mean time make sure they document that the customer has
reported oil consumption greater than 1qt. per 1000 miles.

Gordon McGrew

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:27:30 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com,
>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:58 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping
>>>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than
>>>> a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the
>>>> limits of normal and repair is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented the
>>> miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug was
>>> incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place. I
>>> guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one
>>> back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss...
>>
>> An incorrect washer might cause a leak problem but won't change oil
>> consumption. you would have to be making a huge mess for a leak to
>> cause measurable oil loss. Be aware that the correct washer is called
>> a crush washer because it is crushed when installed and should be
>> thinner when removed than before it was installed. That is why it
>> should be replaced each time.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, the dealer has measured and acknowledged
>> that your consumption is greater than 1 qt./1000 mi. Hopefully you
>> have this documented in writing. If the dealer does acknowledge that
>> the engine needs repair, insist on talking to the Honda rep. The 1000
>> mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Even being near it
>> should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are
>> over it, even by just a little, they should fix it.
>>
>The mileage calculation of 900 miles per quart was made by me, therefore it
>is not trusted.
>
>Be

Well, then they have to measure it. Ask them how they want to do
that. In the mean time make sure they document that the customer has
reported oil consumption greater than 1qt. per 1000 miles.

JXStern

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:04:37 GMT, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is.

Can the car really meet modern clean air standards burning oil like
that?

My old Alfa Romeo required a quart every couple of fill-ups, but that
was a design "feature" described in the manual.

And we won't even talk about the 1960's two-cycle Saabs where you just
poured the quart right into the gas tank!

J.

JXStern

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:04:37 GMT, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is.

Can the car really meet modern clean air standards burning oil like
that?

My old Alfa Romeo required a quart every couple of fill-ups, but that
was a design "feature" described in the manual.

And we won't even talk about the 1960's two-cycle Saabs where you just
poured the quart right into the gas tank!

J.

JXStern

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:04:37 GMT, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is.

Can the car really meet modern clean air standards burning oil like
that?

My old Alfa Romeo required a quart every couple of fill-ups, but that
was a design "feature" described in the manual.

And we won't even talk about the 1960's two-cycle Saabs where you just
poured the quart right into the gas tank!

J.

JXStern

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:04:37 GMT, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is.

Can the car really meet modern clean air standards burning oil like
that?

My old Alfa Romeo required a quart every couple of fill-ups, but that
was a design "feature" described in the manual.

And we won't even talk about the 1960's two-cycle Saabs where you just
poured the quart right into the gas tank!

J.