Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:

1) Toyota
2) Honda
3) Hyundai
4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Did you forget the "Cherry" will be here by 2008 LOL

mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Did you forget the "Cherry" will be here by 2008 LOL

mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Did you forget the "Cherry" will be here by 2008 LOL

mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Did you forget the "Cherry" will be here by 2008 LOL

mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)



Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)



Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)



Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)



Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.


mike


"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.


mike


"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.


mike


"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.


mike


"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>> 1) Toyota
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Hyundai
>>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>> piece of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>
>
>> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey
>> of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike


Oh, I haven't looked at anything new. I only buy what I can pay cash for.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>> 1) Toyota
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Hyundai
>>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>> piece of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>
>
>> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey
>> of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike


Oh, I haven't looked at anything new. I only buy what I can pay cash for.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>> 1) Toyota
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Hyundai
>>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>> piece of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>
>
>> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey
>> of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike


Oh, I haven't looked at anything new. I only buy what I can pay cash for.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>> 1) Toyota
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Hyundai
>>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>> piece of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>
>
>> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey
>> of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike


Oh, I haven't looked at anything new. I only buy what I can pay cash for.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

They also manufacture large cranes. Toyota is into forklifts. Honda
makes lawnmowers. I read recently where Honda is going to begin
building aircraft for small business. All three are surely making
their mark.




>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

They also manufacture large cranes. Toyota is into forklifts. Honda
makes lawnmowers. I read recently where Honda is going to begin
building aircraft for small business. All three are surely making
their mark.




>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

They also manufacture large cranes. Toyota is into forklifts. Honda
makes lawnmowers. I read recently where Honda is going to begin
building aircraft for small business. All three are surely making
their mark.




>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

They also manufacture large cranes. Toyota is into forklifts. Honda
makes lawnmowers. I read recently where Honda is going to begin
building aircraft for small business. All three are surely making
their mark.




>
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

I'm not ready to buy one but they have come a long way in the past few
years.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

I'm not ready to buy one but they have come a long way in the past few
years.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

I'm not ready to buy one but they have come a long way in the past few
years.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.

I'm not ready to buy one but they have come a long way in the past few
years.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

My company has had 2 new Hyundais in the past year and I find that hard to
believe. The initial quality to me was above the "Big" 3 but well behind
Toyota and Honda. The Santa Fe and the Elantra we have, have many many small
but annoying problems within the first 5000 miles.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

My company has had 2 new Hyundais in the past year and I find that hard to
believe. The initial quality to me was above the "Big" 3 but well behind
Toyota and Honda. The Santa Fe and the Elantra we have, have many many small
but annoying problems within the first 5000 miles.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

My company has had 2 new Hyundais in the past year and I find that hard to
believe. The initial quality to me was above the "Big" 3 but well behind
Toyota and Honda. The Santa Fe and the Elantra we have, have many many small
but annoying problems within the first 5000 miles.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:SoydnZn9GM8svkzZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Hyundai recently outscored Toyota and Honda in a recent consumer survey of
> initial quality, among new 2006 vehicle owners.
>
>
> mike

My company has had 2 new Hyundais in the past year and I find that hard to
believe. The initial quality to me was above the "Big" 3 but well behind
Toyota and Honda. The Santa Fe and the Elantra we have, have many many small
but annoying problems within the first 5000 miles.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>
Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.

Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.

IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.

I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
nearly 7 years.

Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.

Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
"midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.

Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.

Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>
Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.

Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.

IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.

I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
nearly 7 years.

Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.

Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
"midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.

Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.

Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>
Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.

Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.

IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.

I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
nearly 7 years.

Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.

Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
"midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.

Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.

Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>> 1) Toyota
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Hyundai
>> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>
Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.

Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.

IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.

I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
nearly 7 years.

Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.

Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
"midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.

Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.

Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:

> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)


Make that:
1) Toyota-GM
2) Honda
3) Ford

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:

> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)


Make that:
1) Toyota-GM
2) Honda
3) Ford

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:

> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>
> 1) Toyota
> 2) Honda
> 3) Hyundai
> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)


Make that:
1) Toyota-GM
2) Honda
3) Ford

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

JohnR66 wrote:

>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.

I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
prices have put that one to bed.

Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
want another trip down memory lane.

John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

JohnR66 wrote:

>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.

I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
prices have put that one to bed.

Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
want another trip down memory lane.

John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

JohnR66 wrote:

>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.

I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
prices have put that one to bed.

Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
want another trip down memory lane.

John

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

Hachiroku wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>
>
>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>
>>1) Toyota
>>2) Honda
>>3) Hyundai
>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>
>
>
> Make that:
> 1) Toyota-GM
> 2) Honda
> 3) Ford
>

An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
long history of being an independent company in mind and action.
Nissan, on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in
bed with at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.

I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much
higher probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.

John