Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
#271
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
The US the economy was doing pretty sure was do pretty well after the
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
#272
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
The US the economy was doing pretty sure was do pretty well after the
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
#273
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
The US the economy was doing pretty sure was do pretty well after the
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate to 50%, the income to the federal treasury
tripled. Just as the income to the federal treasury doubled after
President Reagan cut the marginal tax rate to 35%. There has been another
huge increase in income to the federal treasury after President Bush tax rat
cuts. Currently the federal treasures income is the highest in the history
of the world.
You must believe it to be fair for the government to pass a law to tax all
of the money YOU earned all year, at three times the rate you are currently
paying, then tax whatever money you have left over at the end of the year at
a rate of 55%? LOL
mike hunt
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11u7d258b4ggbtf7brbg77picsvf5tlfmg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:03:29 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>I guess we would be better off if the government gave us all free medical
>>care, free drugs. Why stop there? What about giving us a free insured
>>car
>>to go to the doctor, as well as buying the gas to run it. How about a
>>free
>>cell phone to call 911 if needed? How about three months paid medical
>>leave for us and our families when somebody gets sick? How about maid
>>service when we can't clean the house when we get sick. How about paying
>>somebody do to our grocery shopping? How about a minimum wage of $25 a
>>hour, and a 30 hour week so we don't have to work hard to get the things
>>we
>>'need?' How about a displaced worker payment equal to our take home pay,
>>when all of our jobs go off shore because of all the imports we buy? How
>>about a free college education like in Russia, so we can go to China to
>>design the Toyotas they will soon build there for the American market?
>>Hell
>>we can just raise the death tax to 95% and raise tax rates for the rich to
>>90% again, the rate in pre President Kennedy days, at least till the rich
>>start moving out of the county, like they are doing in France
>
> As I recall, the economy was doing pretty well back in those Kennedy
> days.
>
> The rich can leave as long as they pay the 95% exit tax that will fund
> our nationalized health care. Like Bill Gates told the graduates,
> life isn't fair.
#274
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Posts: n/a
Re: The US economy leads the worl and alway has
The Socialists really have you brain washed, it that is what you believe
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154757061.563511.192750@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154757061.563511.192750@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
#275
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: The US economy leads the worl and alway has
The Socialists really have you brain washed, it that is what you believe
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154757061.563511.192750@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154757061.563511.192750@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
#276
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: The US economy leads the worl and alway has
The Socialists really have you brain washed, it that is what you believe
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154757061.563511.192750@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
The US economy is rising at nearly twice the rate in Europe, over the past
ten years, and it is twice the size to begin with. Compare GNP and see who
is better off. The US is the freest economy in the world, to a fault, the
US does not restrict imports or the exportation of capital as they do in
Europe.. How many European and British corporation make there highest
profits in the US? Why do you think the Japs have a **** poor share of the
market in Europe? IF Europe acted like the US in that regard, the only
cars you could buy in Europe would be Japanese.
mike hunt
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Well, not so much your economics as the underlying assumptions...the
>> social Economics are usually taught as a re-skin of Marxist theology
>> under the same sort of thinking as Keynes used.
>>
>> Which is that you might assume one variable does not affect the other.
>> Example being: that you can adjust inflation rate by raising taxes, which
>> supposedly reduces demand thus price for discretionary spending.
>>
>> Which is, short term true but long term false as the earner will then
>> adjust price/wage for inflation so as to maintain the profit or standard
>> of living.
>>
>> All the above is not learned through classroom lecture but best from
>> watching and remembering the effects after.
>
> I think that if you consider the production per manhour in US and
> compare it with manhour in Europe that you will see that the Europe
> figure is much much higher
>
> In Europe people work much fewer hours, have longer vacations, have
> better job security
>
> The market economy is in effect in both cases but the European one has
> a more humane touch and is actually working better
>
> Look at the value of the dollar for one thing
>
> The dollar compared to the pound is close to 1:2 now and it used to be
> 1:1 a few years back
>
> The raltionship between the Dollar to Euro is also slipping dollar used
> to be $ > Euro and is now $ < Euro
>
> Europe is still working off the effects of the former east problems but
> even with those problems the manhour in Europe gives higher
> productivity than the manhour does in US
>
> I am then talking about Europe as a whole
>
> The former east part is still lagging way behind both but changing
> quickly as time goes by and new generation of people grow up
>
> The older generation living under centralised government that ended
> roughly 16 years ago has really high unemployment rate and are used to
> the central taking all initiative
>
> When the new generation born after the fall of the Berlin wall is
> coming of age things are changing a lot
>
> The strange thing is that as Europe is changing away from centralised
> government because of its failures than US is going more and more
> towards centralised government
>
> It is happening so gradually that everyman is hardly noticing it
>
> More and more big brother tendencies is deteriorating the productivity
> of the manhour in the US system
>
> The unions in many big cos in US are much more a hindrance for
> increased productivity than the general system in effect in Europe
>
#277
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4t1Bg.29091$1Z5.28403@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
#278
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4t1Bg.29091$1Z5.28403@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4t1Bg.29091$1Z5.28403@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
#279
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4t1Bg.29091$1Z5.28403@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker Larks,
****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only 23K
on the clock.
What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure not
still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage Jap
car, curious.
mike hunt
"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4t1Bg.29091$1Z5.28403@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the
>> marketplace and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
>> John
>
> and that their cars have been and in some cases are still less reliable
> than their Japanese competitors.
#280
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
#281
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
#282
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in half.
early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks were.
within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but a pile
of iron oxide dust.
#283
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Tom wrote:
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.
#284
Guest
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Tom wrote:
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.
#285
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Tom wrote:
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.
> most likely melted down to be put back into new jap cars.
>
> you actually saw a 240Z??? consider yourself lucky. 99.9% of the 240Z's
> made were scrapped after their frames rotted out and the cars split in
> half. early jap cars were made about as good as the late 70's gm trucks
> were. within 5 years they rusted out so bad you were left with nothing but
> a pile of iron oxide dust.
But the 70's GM trucks are still on the road, I see lots of them with holes
in the body still hauling stuff around.