Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
#376
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
It certainly is a question of longevity. If the Japs cars have always been
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:47qcd21c9ot086l0ac58g6r0k4lk06krrd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
#377
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
It certainly is a question of longevity. If the Japs cars have always been
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:47qcd21c9ot086l0ac58g6r0k4lk06krrd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:47qcd21c9ot086l0ac58g6r0k4lk06krrd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
#378
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
It certainly is a question of longevity. If the Japs cars have always been
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:47qcd21c9ot086l0ac58g6r0k4lk06krrd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:47qcd21c9ot086l0ac58g6r0k4lk06krrd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:54:48 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps, but there are many more of the cars I mentioned in museums, as
>>well. The cars I saw were driven to the show, for the most part, not
>>museum
>>cars .
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> Well possibly, but what point is there to this anyway? You were
> originally claiming that this had something to do with vehicle
> longevity, not who had made the most museum pieces.
>
>
>>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:egpad2p416ournhfjgel6j48qaut9oid6u@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:40:49 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really? I was at a major old cars show today. Loads of small British,
>>>>German, Italian and French cars from the sixties among the Corvairs,
>>>>Falcons, Valliants, Nash Ramblers, Hudson Jets, Henry Js, Studebaker
>>>>Larks,
>>>>****** and even some Chevettes, but only ONE Jap car, a 240Z with only
>>>>23K
>>>>on the clock.
>>>>
>>>>What ever happened to all those 'superior;' Jap small cars, they're sure
>>>>not
>>>>still on the road. There were more than 30 VW bugs, nearly 40
>>>>Nash/Hudson/AMC Metropolitan coupes and convertibles and a half dozen
>>>>CROSLEYS for goodness sake and a couple Isettas but only ONE low mileage
>>>>Jap
>>>>car, curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
#379
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on an
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
#380
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on an
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
#381
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on an
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
assembly, I supose
mike hunt
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>> to
>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>> and
>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>> wanted.
>>
>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>> that is true.
>
> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
> same is not true at Ford.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
#382
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how CAFE rules are applied,
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
#383
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Posts: n/a
Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how CAFE rules are applied,
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
#384
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Posts: n/a
Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
You believe that because you know nothing about how CAFE rules are applied,
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
I suppose.
mike
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:klocd21lot1mpdeovm1rgvvmgs8uaufsgm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:07:39 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You can tell your 'high ranking' friend he does not know what he is taking
>>about. Ford sold the first FWD Fords to dealers below cost, just to meet
>>CAFE, so they could still sell the larger RWD cars they were still
>>building
>>to make money. It took three years for economies of scale to bring down
>>the build costs
>>
>>mike hunt
>
> It would be just as correct to say that Ford sold small cars below
> cost to offset poor milage due to big cars. I don't see what FWD has
> to do with it.
>
> Besides, there is a limit to how much you would be willing to lose on
> small cars just to hit the CAFE numbers. Remember, you don't have to
> hit the CAFE numbers. Ferrari and Rolls Royce never made the numbers
> but they are still allowed to sell cars here.
>
>
#385
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on
> an assembly, I supose
>
>
> mike hunt
>
I believe that because that is what the chief engineers for the Tercel and
Corolla design teams told me when I asked why Toyota had decided to develop
FWD cars without a previous history ;-)
I am not doubting that the case may be different at Ford or other companies.
Perhaps Toyota's assembly methodology allows them to save money on FWD cars?
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
>> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>>
>>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>>> to
>>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>>> and
>>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>>> wanted.
>>>
>>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>>> that is true.
>>
>> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
>> same is not true at Ford.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
#386
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on
> an assembly, I supose
>
>
> mike hunt
>
I believe that because that is what the chief engineers for the Tercel and
Corolla design teams told me when I asked why Toyota had decided to develop
FWD cars without a previous history ;-)
I am not doubting that the case may be different at Ford or other companies.
Perhaps Toyota's assembly methodology allows them to save money on FWD cars?
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
>> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>>
>>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>>> to
>>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>>> and
>>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>>> wanted.
>>>
>>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>>> that is true.
>>
>> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
>> same is not true at Ford.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on
> an assembly, I supose
>
>
> mike hunt
>
I believe that because that is what the chief engineers for the Tercel and
Corolla design teams told me when I asked why Toyota had decided to develop
FWD cars without a previous history ;-)
I am not doubting that the case may be different at Ford or other companies.
Perhaps Toyota's assembly methodology allows them to save money on FWD cars?
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:e17aa$44d65168$47e40e57$3353@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...
>>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
>> news:PZkBg.3331$kO3.2120@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
>>>
>>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>>> Because of CAFE, date certain deadlines, the domestics had to
>>>>> spend billions to change their manufacturing facilities over from RWD,
>>>>> to
>>>>> build the more costly. less safe FWD vehicles to make vehicles smaller
>>>>> and
>>>>> lighter, yet still have sufficient room for five people that American
>>>>> wanted.
>>>
>>> A high ranking GM manager told me the reason they changed to FWD was
>>> that they could build the car $50 cheaper than a RWD. I have no idea if
>>> that is true.
>>
>> At Toyota, FWD is less expensive to make than RWD. I do no know why the
>> same is not true at Ford.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
John Horner wrote:
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
John Horner wrote:
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
John Horner wrote:
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!
> Lee Florack wrote:
>
>>
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and continue
>> to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability. Even if
>> the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce some
>> desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be too low.
>
> True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
> wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
> programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.
Good point!