Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
#496
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
#497
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
#498
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with the
Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the '4' that
the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40% but less
than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the US, Canada
and Mexico, not the USA
mike hunt
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>> well.
>>
>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating
>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>> label,
>> is more that 70%.
>>
>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>> tranny
>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>> label indication
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>
> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
#499
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
rantonrave@mail.com wrote:
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
#500
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Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
rantonrave@mail.com wrote:
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
#501
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Posts: n/a
Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
rantonrave@mail.com wrote:
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
>> It won't help management much. However, you cannot ignore the facts
>> about the horrendous burden that extremely high salaries (when
>> compared to value provided), high healthcare costs and ridiculous
>> retirement costs -- all the result of union demands have and
>> continue to be at least one of the major causes of unprofitability.
>> Even if the management teams of Ford and GM could somehow produce
>> some desirable cars anytime soon, the profit margins would still be
>> too low.
>
> You're still too much a GM apologist because I've seen a case study
> showing that if GM had Toyota's production efficiency - without any
> changes in its labor cost structure, GM would have been profitable
> every year. That's not to say that labor, health care, and pension
> costs are huge burdens, but even if those costs were zero GM would
> still be losing market share and producing bad designs that look like
> more like furniture or boom boxes than like motor vehicles.
I don't think we disagree. You may note that I said, "union demands
have and continue to be at least one of the major causes of
unprofitability" (emphasis should be on ONE of the major causes).
I also agree the designs are (although getting better) lacking in
what I'm looking for in a car -- and apparently others feel the same.
#502
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Jim Higgins wrote:
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
#503
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Jim Higgins wrote:
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
#504
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
Jim Higgins wrote:
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
>
> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at a
> Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
Count me in on that. I drove America cars all of my life until four
years ago (I'm 57 now). I finally started to realize just how much
I was spending for service and that I didn't like my choices when it
came time to buy another vehicle. Now my older son and I have
Acuras, my wide, other son and daughter in-law have Hondas. We all
love them and are happy to be paying much less to maintain them.
Most importantly, they are better built and good designs that I WANT.
#505
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Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:jHWdnX8FNN5F3EfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
> believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with
> the Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the
> '4' that the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40%
> but less than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the
> US, Canada and Mexico, not the USA
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1'
>>> indicating
>>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>>> label,
>>> is more that 70%.
>>>
>>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>>> tranny
>>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>>> label indication
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
>> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
>> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
>
>
Sigh, you really are unable to read and comprehend.
#506
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:jHWdnX8FNN5F3EfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
> believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with
> the Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the
> '4' that the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40%
> but less than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the
> US, Canada and Mexico, not the USA
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1'
>>> indicating
>>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>>> label,
>>> is more that 70%.
>>>
>>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>>> tranny
>>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>>> label indication
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
>> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
>> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
>
>
Sigh, you really are unable to read and comprehend.
#507
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:jHWdnX8FNN5F3EfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> If the Sienna did indeed have more than 70% US content as you seem to
> believe, the first number of the VIN would be a '1,' as is the case with
> the Mustang that does have the required 70% US content, rather than the
> '4' that the Sienna has. A '4' indicates the US content is more than 40%
> but less than 70% North American parts label indicates parts from the
> US, Canada and Mexico, not the USA
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:12dk742dmbesn4b@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:HlOdnc0jd5TQmUfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>>> However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>>> import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when
>>> new. One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>>> includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>>> label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is
>>> built by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1'
>>> indicating
>>> its total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and
>>> includes all of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts
>>> label,
>>> is more that 70%.
>>>
>>> The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>>> content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and
>>> therefore only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in
>>> the US, regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and
>>> tranny
>>> in the Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5'
>>> indicating a US content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content
>>> label indication
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Basic geography for you Mike-you must have gone to public school-is that
>> North American is not the same as "American". "American" means the 50 US
>> states and the assorted territories and possessions.
>
>
Sigh, you really are unable to read and comprehend.
#508
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:50:34 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
>
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
>
#509
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:50:34 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
>
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
>
#510
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Where did all the old Japs car go?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:50:34 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
>
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion, no mater how convoluted it may be.
>However the domestics I now buy are just as good, or better, than any
>import I have ever owned and I spend a lot less to drive them home when new.
>One sees a lot of Japanese cars and trucks in domestic used lots as well.
>
>You are confusing North America parts with US parts, North America parts
>includes Canada and Mexico. My 2007 Mustang GT convertible has a parts
>label that says the north American parts content is 80%, the tranny is built
>by Ford in France. The first number of the VIN is a '1' indicating its
>total US content, as defined by the Department of Commerce and includes all
>of the things listed in the disclaimer on the NA parts label, is more that
>70%.
>
>The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which means it US
>content is above 40% but less than 70%, as defined by the DOC, and therefore
>only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts not made in the US,
>regardless of the NA parts label indication. The engine and tranny in the
>Sienna are made in Japan. Teh Camry and Tundra have a '5' indicating a US
>content of less than 40% regardless of the NA content label indication
>
>mike hunt
Well Mike, there you go again. Let's bring it back to fact land, shall
we? Here is a link to a Wall St. Journal article from May of this
year:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...od=tff_article
"Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation
by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only
65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada.
Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By
contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled
in Indiana with 90% local components."
>
>"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:12di7vi8i8qnm99@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:7z6dnasT2KHB10rZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where
>>> are the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a
>>> long time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both
>>> domestic and import brands. The only real difference among them is style
>>> and price. One need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle
>>> today
>>>
>>> You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
>>> sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
>>> few myself.
>>>
>>> I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
>>> buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all
>>> junk, and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same
>>> class and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the
>>> business is that is more myth than fact.
>>>
>>> Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
>>> things? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>
>> Face it Mike, Toyota builds a van, Sienna, that has more "American" parts
>> than the Ford Mustang-yes I have the link. The so called domestic car
>> companies build a *lot* of cars/trucks in Mexico and Canada and these are
>> vehicles made by others, not our folks. The domestics also have a *large*
>> base of former customers that did buy from American car companies and got
>> thoroughly screwed by the products and poor customer service and they have
>> very, very, very long memories. Those screwed former customers of the
>> domestic car companies, me among them, would not even consider looking at
>> a Detroit offering before exhausting every other alternative. Detroit's
>> chickens have come home to roost and good riddance to them.
>>
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