Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

In article <S6CdnX3Ol7PF1RHbnZ2dnUVZ_rS3nZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> > I'm pretty sure they decided to aim the Accord coupe V6/manual
> > transmission at that market.
> >
> > After all, the 'lude was built on the Accord chassis.
> >
> in which case, why not just sell a prelude?

Ah, but you forget: the beancounters were in charge during that time.

It is cheaper to make the Accord than a model with different sheet metal
and interior.

They may yet bring back the 'lude, now that the engineers seem to be
back on the throne, but no doubt it's way down on their to-do list.

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:rLidnRUq8duZcBbbnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>from:
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070704/...s;_ylt=A0WTUZK
>>6DYtG1k8AcAms0NUE
>>
>>we learn that:
>>"Honda said it sold 140,935 vehicles in June, up from 126,449 during
>>the same month last year. Sales were led by the Civic and Fit small
>>cars and the CR-V small sport utility vehicle."
>>
>>are you listening honda usa "marketing" department? are you going to
>>pay attention this time? because your track record needs a little
>>help.
>> you didn't want to know about the crv. you didn't want to know
>> about
>>the fit [jazz]. and you have done everything you can to kill the
>>civic's backbone, the civic hatchback. anyone would think y'all were
>>getting backhanders from detroit or something. well, you're not are
>>you?
>>
>
>
> I wish they would bring back the Prelude.
> Update it with LED turnsignals and taillights.
> Right now,Honda/Acura does not make anything I would buy.
> I'd buy an old 00-01 Prelude before I'd buy any new Honda/Acura.
>

They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
has been losing...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:rLidnRUq8duZcBbbnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>from:
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070704/...s;_ylt=A0WTUZK
>>6DYtG1k8AcAms0NUE
>>
>>we learn that:
>>"Honda said it sold 140,935 vehicles in June, up from 126,449 during
>>the same month last year. Sales were led by the Civic and Fit small
>>cars and the CR-V small sport utility vehicle."
>>
>>are you listening honda usa "marketing" department? are you going to
>>pay attention this time? because your track record needs a little
>>help.
>> you didn't want to know about the crv. you didn't want to know
>> about
>>the fit [jazz]. and you have done everything you can to kill the
>>civic's backbone, the civic hatchback. anyone would think y'all were
>>getting backhanders from detroit or something. well, you're not are
>>you?
>>
>
>
> I wish they would bring back the Prelude.
> Update it with LED turnsignals and taillights.
> Right now,Honda/Acura does not make anything I would buy.
> I'd buy an old 00-01 Prelude before I'd buy any new Honda/Acura.
>

They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
has been losing...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:rLidnRUq8duZcBbbnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>from:
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070704/...s;_ylt=A0WTUZK
>>6DYtG1k8AcAms0NUE
>>
>>we learn that:
>>"Honda said it sold 140,935 vehicles in June, up from 126,449 during
>>the same month last year. Sales were led by the Civic and Fit small
>>cars and the CR-V small sport utility vehicle."
>>
>>are you listening honda usa "marketing" department? are you going to
>>pay attention this time? because your track record needs a little
>>help.
>> you didn't want to know about the crv. you didn't want to know
>> about
>>the fit [jazz]. and you have done everything you can to kill the
>>civic's backbone, the civic hatchback. anyone would think y'all were
>>getting backhanders from detroit or something. well, you're not are
>>you?
>>
>
>
> I wish they would bring back the Prelude.
> Update it with LED turnsignals and taillights.
> Right now,Honda/Acura does not make anything I would buy.
> I'd buy an old 00-01 Prelude before I'd buy any new Honda/Acura.
>

They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
has been losing...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13 wrote:

>
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I *hated* the look of the hatchback civics. I like the look of the new
ones. The Si is a thing of beauty, IMO, and the rest of the line isn't
that much different.

Now, the Japanese Si Hatchback is a nice looking car, maintaining the new
style look, and making it a hatch. I would buy one of those in a second if
they were available here...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13 wrote:

>
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I *hated* the look of the hatchback civics. I like the look of the new
ones. The Si is a thing of beauty, IMO, and the rest of the line isn't
that much different.

Now, the Japanese Si Hatchback is a nice looking car, maintaining the new
style look, and making it a hatch. I would buy one of those in a second if
they were available here...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13 wrote:

>
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I *hated* the look of the hatchback civics. I like the look of the new
ones. The Si is a thing of beauty, IMO, and the rest of the line isn't
that much different.

Now, the Japanese Si Hatchback is a nice looking car, maintaining the new
style look, and making it a hatch. I would buy one of those in a second if
they were available here...

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

On Jul 4, 8:58 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*.

I think the current Civic is gorgeous, even better looking than
previous generation, which was also an improvement over the previous
generation before that.

> Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have.

I do agree that Toyotas are pretty ugly.

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

On Jul 4, 8:58 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*.

I think the current Civic is gorgeous, even better looking than
previous generation, which was also an improvement over the previous
generation before that.

> Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have.

I do agree that Toyotas are pretty ugly.

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

On Jul 4, 8:58 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*.

I think the current Civic is gorgeous, even better looking than
previous generation, which was also an improvement over the previous
generation before that.

> Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have.

I do agree that Toyotas are pretty ugly.

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:

> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

IMO, most manufacturers are making ugly cars now. Look at Nissan's
line-up... Yuck!!!

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:

> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

IMO, most manufacturers are making ugly cars now. Look at Nissan's
line-up... Yuck!!!

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:

> They've also managed to make the new Civics *ugly*. Toyota has done
> the same thing: given their cars unattractive, militaristic-looking
> noses like American vehicles tend to have. One really wonders if they
> realize who has been winning the sales wars the last 5 years, and who
> has been losing...

IMO, most manufacturers are making ugly cars now. Look at Nissan's
line-up... Yuck!!!

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <S6CdnX3Ol7PF1RHbnZ2dnUVZ_rS3nZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>>> I'm pretty sure they decided to aim the Accord coupe V6/manual
>>> transmission at that market.
>>>
>>> After all, the 'lude was built on the Accord chassis.
>>>
>> in which case, why not just sell a prelude?
>
> Ah, but you forget: the beancounters were in charge during that time.
>
> It is cheaper to make the Accord than a model with different sheet metal
> and interior.

but the accord coupe is extensively re-worked. can't see any cost
saving between that and a prelude.

>
> They may yet bring back the 'lude, now that the engineers seem to be
> back on the throne, but no doubt it's way down on their to-do list.

remains to be seen. they haven't cured the civic wishbone thing yet.
and they're not addressing the fact that they don't have anything to
touch the evo/wrx yet either. [that's a /serious/ failing.] all it
takes is a new prelude with 4wd and a blown s2000 motor to get that ball
rolling. even if it were limited edition. redirecting resources to
giant suv's??? wtf were they thinking?

btw, that wrx is one heckofa car. got passed by modded one a few weeks
back - no idea what he had under the hood, but the noise was such that i
looked in the mirror to see what was going on. wrx emerging from an
on-ramp maybe 300 meters back. two shifts [and about as many seconds]
later, he passed my sorry 85mph ass like i was standing still.
seriously, that's one of the fastest vehicles i've ever seen. on or off
the track. if honda had a vehicle, with motor, able to handle that kind
of re-work, and wishbones, they could recapture the hearts and minds of
the 2-ner/wrx crowd they blew apart back in 2001. and they should.

Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <S6CdnX3Ol7PF1RHbnZ2dnUVZ_rS3nZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>>> I'm pretty sure they decided to aim the Accord coupe V6/manual
>>> transmission at that market.
>>>
>>> After all, the 'lude was built on the Accord chassis.
>>>
>> in which case, why not just sell a prelude?
>
> Ah, but you forget: the beancounters were in charge during that time.
>
> It is cheaper to make the Accord than a model with different sheet metal
> and interior.

but the accord coupe is extensively re-worked. can't see any cost
saving between that and a prelude.

>
> They may yet bring back the 'lude, now that the engineers seem to be
> back on the throne, but no doubt it's way down on their to-do list.

remains to be seen. they haven't cured the civic wishbone thing yet.
and they're not addressing the fact that they don't have anything to
touch the evo/wrx yet either. [that's a /serious/ failing.] all it
takes is a new prelude with 4wd and a blown s2000 motor to get that ball
rolling. even if it were limited edition. redirecting resources to
giant suv's??? wtf were they thinking?

btw, that wrx is one heckofa car. got passed by modded one a few weeks
back - no idea what he had under the hood, but the noise was such that i
looked in the mirror to see what was going on. wrx emerging from an
on-ramp maybe 300 meters back. two shifts [and about as many seconds]
later, he passed my sorry 85mph ass like i was standing still.
seriously, that's one of the fastest vehicles i've ever seen. on or off
the track. if honda had a vehicle, with motor, able to handle that kind
of re-work, and wishbones, they could recapture the hearts and minds of
the 2-ner/wrx crowd they blew apart back in 2001. and they should.