Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
In article <9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > Honda is a marketing company. > > if that's what they think, that's the problem! well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net>, > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net>, > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net>, > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <j9idnQBEgfMliBDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> In the Civic line, I don't think there's anything to be "cured". >>>>> It's just not a problem. Civics are selling well--and that's all >>>>> Honda cares about. >>>> disagree! it's handling that put honda on the map. >>> That may have been so years back, but you can't dispute: Civics are >>> selling well, AND that's all Honda cares about. >> but they're not selling as well as they used to - honda have lost >> significant market share to toyota. and the rsx or whatever the >> successor to the integra is, [same civic platform] isn't selling at >> all! > > the RSX is defunct;they stopped making them,ISTR. >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! >> >>> If handling doesn't sell, then they won't >>> care. >> but handling /does/ sell! > > Look at how well the Integra sold. 3dr and 4 dr versions! absolutely!!! > Then Honda redesigned it to the RSX,which was uglier,and it didn't sell. it had the power and the fittings. the only differentiator was handling - basically, it was a dog. > the old 1996-2000 Civic hatchback sold very well,and newer versions were > uglier and didn't sell as well. indeed. > Tuners would rather buy an older Honda and rework it than buy a new Civic. not just tuners - ordinary drivers too. i had a bunch of people fighting over my 2000 civic hatch when i sold it. > >> if they think they're just going to sell cheap generic crap, they're >> in trouble because toyota can do that better. and frankly, hyundai >> [etc] is breathing hard up their tail pipe as well. they'll also have >> their margins cut to the bone and have no brand loyalty. if they make >> something that people like because it's better, price is less elastic >> /and/ they retain repeat customers. like subaru. >> >> honda used to play the game /way/ better. there's no reason they >> can't do it again. >> > > Sochiro Honda is no longer around,that's the problem. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <j9idnQBEgfMliBDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> In the Civic line, I don't think there's anything to be "cured". >>>>> It's just not a problem. Civics are selling well--and that's all >>>>> Honda cares about. >>>> disagree! it's handling that put honda on the map. >>> That may have been so years back, but you can't dispute: Civics are >>> selling well, AND that's all Honda cares about. >> but they're not selling as well as they used to - honda have lost >> significant market share to toyota. and the rsx or whatever the >> successor to the integra is, [same civic platform] isn't selling at >> all! > > the RSX is defunct;they stopped making them,ISTR. >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! >> >>> If handling doesn't sell, then they won't >>> care. >> but handling /does/ sell! > > Look at how well the Integra sold. 3dr and 4 dr versions! absolutely!!! > Then Honda redesigned it to the RSX,which was uglier,and it didn't sell. it had the power and the fittings. the only differentiator was handling - basically, it was a dog. > the old 1996-2000 Civic hatchback sold very well,and newer versions were > uglier and didn't sell as well. indeed. > Tuners would rather buy an older Honda and rework it than buy a new Civic. not just tuners - ordinary drivers too. i had a bunch of people fighting over my 2000 civic hatch when i sold it. > >> if they think they're just going to sell cheap generic crap, they're >> in trouble because toyota can do that better. and frankly, hyundai >> [etc] is breathing hard up their tail pipe as well. they'll also have >> their margins cut to the bone and have no brand loyalty. if they make >> something that people like because it's better, price is less elastic >> /and/ they retain repeat customers. like subaru. >> >> honda used to play the game /way/ better. there's no reason they >> can't do it again. >> > > Sochiro Honda is no longer around,that's the problem. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in > news:9POdnbeoAoYK0hDbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <j9idnQBEgfMliBDbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> In the Civic line, I don't think there's anything to be "cured". >>>>> It's just not a problem. Civics are selling well--and that's all >>>>> Honda cares about. >>>> disagree! it's handling that put honda on the map. >>> That may have been so years back, but you can't dispute: Civics are >>> selling well, AND that's all Honda cares about. >> but they're not selling as well as they used to - honda have lost >> significant market share to toyota. and the rsx or whatever the >> successor to the integra is, [same civic platform] isn't selling at >> all! > > the RSX is defunct;they stopped making them,ISTR. >>> Honda is a marketing company. >> if that's what they think, that's the problem! >> >>> If handling doesn't sell, then they won't >>> care. >> but handling /does/ sell! > > Look at how well the Integra sold. 3dr and 4 dr versions! absolutely!!! > Then Honda redesigned it to the RSX,which was uglier,and it didn't sell. it had the power and the fittings. the only differentiator was handling - basically, it was a dog. > the old 1996-2000 Civic hatchback sold very well,and newer versions were > uglier and didn't sell as well. indeed. > Tuners would rather buy an older Honda and rework it than buy a new Civic. not just tuners - ordinary drivers too. i had a bunch of people fighting over my 2000 civic hatch when i sold it. > >> if they think they're just going to sell cheap generic crap, they're >> in trouble because toyota can do that better. and frankly, hyundai >> [etc] is breathing hard up their tail pipe as well. they'll also have >> their margins cut to the bone and have no brand loyalty. if they make >> something that people like because it's better, price is less elastic >> /and/ they retain repeat customers. like subaru. >> >> honda used to play the game /way/ better. there's no reason they >> can't do it again. >> > > Sochiro Honda is no longer around,that's the problem. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > > > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how > are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without fulfilling *your* goals. But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > > > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how > are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without fulfilling *your* goals. But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. > > > which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how > are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without fulfilling *your* goals. But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. >>> >> which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how >> are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? > > But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without > fulfilling *your* goals. > > But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. > if their goals are losing share to toyota on the civic vs. corolla, failing completely on the rsx and ridgeline, and giving away the vast and loyal civic/prelude customer base to subaru, you're dead right - they've succeeded handsomely! |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. >>> >> which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how >> are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? > > But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without > fulfilling *your* goals. > > But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. > if their goals are losing share to toyota on the civic vs. corolla, failing completely on the rsx and ridgeline, and giving away the vast and loyal civic/prelude customer base to subaru, you're dead right - they've succeeded handsomely! |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <KaOdnY1mYNcjBBDbnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>> well, they are--they exist solely to sell product and make money. >>> >> which requires that they satisfy demand, and repeat those sales! how >> are they going to do that if they make junk and can't retain? > > But jim, the thing is that they are fulfilling their goal without > fulfilling *your* goals. > > But they *are* fulfilling *their* goals. > if their goals are losing share to toyota on the civic vs. corolla, failing completely on the rsx and ridgeline, and giving away the vast and loyal civic/prelude customer base to subaru, you're dead right - they've succeeded handsomely! |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:45:39 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >> Then Honda redesigned it to the RSX,which was uglier,and it didn't sell. > >it had the power and the fittings. the only differentiator was handling >- basically, it was a dog. Wot? They tried to sell the RSX as pre-riced, for more money. It's the marketing that didn't work, not so much the car. The handling on those old Integras wasn't anything to write home about. I never actually drove the RSX, ... oh, maybe I test drove one once about 1998, I don't recall, but I'll eat a bug if it handled worse than any stock Integra. J. |
Re: will honda's usa "marketing" dept learn this lesson?
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:45:39 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: >> Then Honda redesigned it to the RSX,which was uglier,and it didn't sell. > >it had the power and the fittings. the only differentiator was handling >- basically, it was a dog. Wot? They tried to sell the RSX as pre-riced, for more money. It's the marketing that didn't work, not so much the car. The handling on those old Integras wasn't anything to write home about. I never actually drove the RSX, ... oh, maybe I test drove one once about 1998, I don't recall, but I'll eat a bug if it handled worse than any stock Integra. J. |
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