Jody

the tires on our accent cost 19.99 each from walmart, uylsses kh made by
kumho.
thyre actually pretty good tires, grip well in snow and wet but they do tend
to how easily around corners ( so did the tiger paws on if before these)
just the small size 155 80r13
after first snow i switch the the blizzaks but i dont care for the high
speed handling of them, very squirmy ..

"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11c46stuefgs37@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey! You hit a hot button there!
>
> With the Michelins, everytime I tried to take off on wet pavement, they
> broke loose like they were on ice... I hated them. Replaced them with
> Pirelli P3000s.... about 1/2 the price and they stick like glue on the wet
> roads... love em! Although the tire cupping problem with the Elantras
> gets attributed a lot to the tires, I ran these same Michelins on a Saturn
> (2 sets) for a total of about 145,000 miles (got 205K out of the Saturn).
> NO cupping. I still think its a design flaw in the car, but we'll see how
> the Pirellis wear.... The Michelins still sucked on wet roads, though.
>
> On the spark plug side, though, the Champions should be fine. Mine went a
> long way. Yes, NGK makes a better product, but then again, will they run
> over 50K miles? I don't know... but I guess I'll find out. You can get
> Champions and Autolites at Wally World as an afterthought (like I did)
> when you're actually shopping for paper towels or something really
> lame.... around here, if you want NGKs, it's a special trip to the parts
> store.... but I'll be making the special trip. At least I'll know what
> I'm getting... not sure what I got with the Autolites, but it's not
> good....
> --
> - Steve
>
> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsxowe.7876$mK5.524435@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> yeah I believe in the if it aint broke don't fix it.
>> the only reason ive told you about the ngk's is even on the Hyundai
>> connection (or what used to be) the techs mech said to ditch the stock
>> champions (and my dealer), unt makes me think then if there no good or
>> good for only short times. Hyundai's using the champs because there
>> cheaper I guess, just like the shitty tires they come with.
>>
>> I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
>> I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire management
>> systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower say bosch on
>> it.
>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>> news:11c430a9ioc3q67@corp.supernews.com...
>>> For all the bikes I've had (9), all of them ran on NGKs.... and they
>>> seemed to work really well. I've used NDs as well, and never really
>>> could tell a difference between them and NGKs. Back in the early 70s
>>> when it was 400hp V8s, I had just as good of luck with Champions as
>>> anything else. I'm not sure what my new bike runs, but I know they're
>>> NGKs. The current plugs in the Hyundai are Champions, and have 60K
>>> miles on em. they're pretty burnt, but I've only recently seen a drop
>>> of a couple mpg .... which is why I'm replacing them. the electrodes
>>> are getting pretty round... they've run their course.
>>>
>>> The iridiums might work a little better for you, but I'd be surprised if
>>> you really noticed a difference. On my old bikes, I could never tell
>>> the difference in how a bike ran, and never really could see a
>>> difference in mileage. For the two strokes, though, the Champions
>>> fouled a lot easier, and wouldn't last anywhere near as long as an
>>> NGK.... That was the big difference. If the plugs you're using right
>>> now are working well for you, I'd stick with them. They're good plugs.
>>> You might try the Iridiums and see if they last longer... but it sounds
>>> like you've got a pretty good plug as it is...
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there's the old engineering saying.... It it ain't
>>> broke, it just doesn't have enough features yet! :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Steve
>>>
>>> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7Lmwe.1868$Ai.350338@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
>>>> seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
>>>> same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
>>>> when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any idea
>>>> what the irridium's are like?
>>>> apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
>>>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience
>>>>> with Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will
>>>>> last around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am
>>>>> intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I
>>>>> wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind"
>>>>> replacement for the originally spec'd plugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug
>>>>> with the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they
>>>>> just didn't last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss,
>>>>> ok... backfires and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you
>>>>> follow me there. My car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion
>>>>> platinums. Apparently NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such
>>>>> a tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not
>>>>> the issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the
>>>>> copper cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the
>>>>> corresponding plug, and supposedly of comparable quality to the
>>>>> originals.... and for all intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with
>>>>> the new plugs (yes, I gapped them to spec also). Higher performance
>>>>> is irrelevant. ZERO performance is a problem. I was just inquiring
>>>>> to see if anybody had experienced the same situation, or had an idea
>>>>> what was going on.... kind of a learning thing. I think the answer is
>>>>> "No."
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally
>>>>> got in... Thanks!
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>>>>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know
>>>>>>> they make a better plug,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts
>>>>>> on most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper
>>>>>> plugs are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance
>>>>>> within their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or
>>>>>> iridium plugs if you want longer life with good performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Blue Flash

I looked at some Kuhmos, but all I read was that, although they sounded like
a good tire, they wore out pretty quickly. I'm not into buying tires often,
and the Pirellis are supposed to last like the Michellins. I got 90K out of
the first set of Michelins on the Saturn, and sold it with good tires....
the second set still going strong.

The Pirellis only have about 5K on them now, but they still look like new.
The dry handling on the Pirellis is a little bit less sharp.... has a slight
soft feel compared to the Michellins, but they're pretty good. When it's
wet though, there's no comparison. Michellins were about $120/tire, the
Pirellis were about $60. I expect to get 60K + out of them if the car
doesn't eat them like the others...
--
- Steve

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:w2qwe.1945$Ai.386151@news20.bellglobal.com...
> the tires on our accent cost 19.99 each from walmart, uylsses kh made by
> kumho.
> thyre actually pretty good tires, grip well in snow and wet but they do
> tend to how easily around corners ( so did the tiger paws on if before
> these) just the small size 155 80r13
> after first snow i switch the the blizzaks but i dont care for the high
> speed handling of them, very squirmy ..
>
> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:11c46stuefgs37@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hey! You hit a hot button there!
>>
>> With the Michelins, everytime I tried to take off on wet pavement, they
>> broke loose like they were on ice... I hated them. Replaced them with
>> Pirelli P3000s.... about 1/2 the price and they stick like glue on the
>> wet roads... love em! Although the tire cupping problem with the
>> Elantras gets attributed a lot to the tires, I ran these same Michelins
>> on a Saturn (2 sets) for a total of about 145,000 miles (got 205K out of
>> the Saturn). NO cupping. I still think its a design flaw in the car, but
>> we'll see how the Pirellis wear.... The Michelins still sucked on wet
>> roads, though.
>>
>> On the spark plug side, though, the Champions should be fine. Mine went
>> a long way. Yes, NGK makes a better product, but then again, will they
>> run over 50K miles? I don't know... but I guess I'll find out. You can
>> get Champions and Autolites at Wally World as an afterthought (like I
>> did) when you're actually shopping for paper towels or something really
>> lame.... around here, if you want NGKs, it's a special trip to the parts
>> store.... but I'll be making the special trip. At least I'll know what
>> I'm getting... not sure what I got with the Autolites, but it's not
>> good....
>> --
>> - Steve
>>
>> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> newsxowe.7876$mK5.524435@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>>> yeah I believe in the if it aint broke don't fix it.
>>> the only reason ive told you about the ngk's is even on the Hyundai
>>> connection (or what used to be) the techs mech said to ditch the stock
>>> champions (and my dealer), unt makes me think then if there no good or
>>> good for only short times. Hyundai's using the champs because there
>>> cheaper I guess, just like the shitty tires they come with.
>>>
>>> I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
>>> I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire
>>> management systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower
>>> say bosch on it.
>>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>>> news:11c430a9ioc3q67@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> For all the bikes I've had (9), all of them ran on NGKs.... and they
>>>> seemed to work really well. I've used NDs as well, and never really
>>>> could tell a difference between them and NGKs. Back in the early 70s
>>>> when it was 400hp V8s, I had just as good of luck with Champions as
>>>> anything else. I'm not sure what my new bike runs, but I know they're
>>>> NGKs. The current plugs in the Hyundai are Champions, and have 60K
>>>> miles on em. they're pretty burnt, but I've only recently seen a drop
>>>> of a couple mpg .... which is why I'm replacing them. the electrodes
>>>> are getting pretty round... they've run their course.
>>>>
>>>> The iridiums might work a little better for you, but I'd be surprised
>>>> if you really noticed a difference. On my old bikes, I could never
>>>> tell the difference in how a bike ran, and never really could see a
>>>> difference in mileage. For the two strokes, though, the Champions
>>>> fouled a lot easier, and wouldn't last anywhere near as long as an
>>>> NGK.... That was the big difference. If the plugs you're using right
>>>> now are working well for you, I'd stick with them. They're good plugs.
>>>> You might try the Iridiums and see if they last longer... but it sounds
>>>> like you've got a pretty good plug as it is...
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, there's the old engineering saying.... It it ain't
>>>> broke, it just doesn't have enough features yet! :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Steve
>>>>
>>>> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7Lmwe.1868$Ai.350338@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>> try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
>>>>> seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
>>>>> same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
>>>>> when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any
>>>>> idea what the irridium's are like?
>>>>> apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
>>>>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience
>>>>>> with Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will
>>>>>> last around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I
>>>>>> am intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs
>>>>>> when I wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind"
>>>>>> replacement for the originally spec'd plugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug
>>>>>> with the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they
>>>>>> just didn't last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss,
>>>>>> ok... backfires and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you
>>>>>> follow me there. My car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion
>>>>>> platinums. Apparently NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such
>>>>>> a tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's
>>>>>> not the issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the
>>>>>> copper cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the
>>>>>> corresponding plug, and supposedly of comparable quality to the
>>>>>> originals.... and for all intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL
>>>>>> with the new plugs (yes, I gapped them to spec also). Higher
>>>>>> performance is irrelevant. ZERO performance is a problem. I was
>>>>>> just inquiring to see if anybody had experienced the same situation,
>>>>>> or had an idea what was going on.... kind of a learning thing. I
>>>>>> think the answer is "No."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and
>>>>>> finally got in... Thanks!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>>>>>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know
>>>>>>>> they make a better plug,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts
>>>>>>> on most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper
>>>>>>> plugs are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding
>>>>>>> performance within their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with
>>>>>>> platinum or iridium plugs if you want longer life with good
>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Blue Flash

Thanks for the great advice... sounds like what I said (see previous posts).
If I had damaged a plug wire, the Old Champions wouldn't work either.

The bottom line is.... that wasn't my question.... was looking for some
similar experiences and see if anybody had figured out what was up. If you
have an answer to the question, that would be cool.... but I really wasn't
thinking of salvaging the car for a set of bad plugs. I'm not the kind of
guy that gets great pleasure out of giving money away for parts that don't
work.... just wanted to know if anybody had any later info on the autolites,
if this is a relatively common issue, etc. It's the principle.... Like I
said in the previous post, it sounds like you haven't heard of this
happening before.... That answer will suffice.

20 years in physics & engineering has taught me that, if there is a problem,
it's best to try and see if you can get to the bottom of the problem before
you fix it and recreate the problem again.... If the answers I've gotten
here are a reflection on reality, then it must be a fluke.... I may just be
the rare individual that bought 4 bad plugs. If you'll stop trying to sell
me NGKs, I might go get some... otherwise, just out of spite, I'll by NDs!
(hehhe ... just pickin on ya.... ) The answer was obvious from the beginning
that I would need new plugs.... but as a physicist, I was looking for the
"why" part of the equation.
--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Aaowe.12617$fM6.10292@trndny04...
> The bottom line is that the Autolites don't work, so why stress over it?
> Unless you damaged a plug wire during the plug change or something, the
> reason is irrellevent. Get new Champions or NGKs and get the car back on
> the road.

Brian Nystrom

Jody wrote:
> I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
> I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire management
> systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower say bosch on it.

I've had good luck with Bosch plugs and wires in general, but these days
they seem to be more about hype than substance when it comes to their
plugs. Really, how many electrodes does a spark plug need? One does the
job just fine.

I've heard conflicting reports about Bosch plugs in the Elantra, but I
haven't tried them. When my stock plugs are shot, I'll install NGK
V-Power copper plugs.

Brian Nystrom

What "cupping problem? This is the first I've heard of any generic
problem with tires on the Elantra. If your tires are cupping, you've got
an alignment problem that needs to be addressed. Have you had a four
wheel alignment done by a qualified shop?

Jody

i wish we had a elantra gt =)
"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11c51u4ne2so0b3@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks for the great advice... sounds like what I said (see previous
> posts). If I had damaged a plug wire, the Old Champions wouldn't work
> either.
>
> The bottom line is.... that wasn't my question.... was looking for some
> similar experiences and see if anybody had figured out what was up. If
> you have an answer to the question, that would be cool.... but I really
> wasn't thinking of salvaging the car for a set of bad plugs. I'm not the
> kind of guy that gets great pleasure out of giving money away for parts
> that don't work.... just wanted to know if anybody had any later info on
> the autolites, if this is a relatively common issue, etc. It's the
> principle.... Like I said in the previous post, it sounds like you haven't
> heard of this happening before.... That answer will suffice.
>
> 20 years in physics & engineering has taught me that, if there is a
> problem, it's best to try and see if you can get to the bottom of the
> problem before you fix it and recreate the problem again.... If the
> answers I've gotten here are a reflection on reality, then it must be a
> fluke.... I may just be the rare individual that bought 4 bad plugs. If
> you'll stop trying to sell me NGKs, I might go get some... otherwise, just
> out of spite, I'll by NDs! (hehhe ... just pickin on ya.... ) The answer
> was obvious from the beginning that I would need new plugs.... but as a
> physicist, I was looking for the "why" part of the equation.
> --
> - Steve
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Aaowe.12617$fM6.10292@trndny04...
>> The bottom line is that the Autolites don't work, so why stress over it?
>> Unless you damaged a plug wire during the plug change or something, the
>> reason is irrellevent. Get new Champions or NGKs and get the car back on
>> the road.
>
>

Jody

im with u on that one, one electrode is enough
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9Tvwe.9355$JM6.6358@trndny05...
> Jody wrote:
> > I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
>> I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire management
>> systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower say bosch on
>> it.
>
> I've had good luck with Bosch plugs and wires in general, but these days
> they seem to be more about hype than substance when it comes to their
> plugs. Really, how many electrodes does a spark plug need? One does the
> job just fine.
>
> I've heard conflicting reports about Bosch plugs in the Elantra, but I
> haven't tried them. When my stock plugs are shot, I'll install NGK V-Power
> copper plugs.

Blue Flash

I'd say start a post on the cupping problem.... I've never met an Elantra
owner that DIDN'T have a problem with it. The dealers apparently all have a
consensus that it's because the tires aren't rotated often enough... Put
95000 miles on a set of MX4s on my Saturn with ONE rotation.... Running
about 1000 to 1500 miles a week as a consultant...

The Michellins were ruined in less than 40K on the Elantra... but I kept
them rotated. The dealers insist it is properly aligned. Insist there is
no problem. I started having problems and found this group and had A LOT of
company...... start a post with a title like "Michellin Tire cupping on
Elantra".... you'll be amazed at the responses you get. You must be new
here, right?

Thanks for all the great answers, but maybe you really should get some info
first...
--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CVvwe.9356$JM6.1491@trndny05...
> What "cupping problem? This is the first I've heard of any generic problem
> with tires on the Elantra. If your tires are cupping, you've got an
> alignment problem that needs to be addressed. Have you had a four wheel
> alignment done by a qualified shop?

Blue Flash

Yeah, yeah.... :-) Actually, I've pretty much resigned myself to the car
eating tires.... but until this plug problem, it really has been pretty good
to me, but my bike is becoming more my main transportation now.... more hp
and only 500 lbs. Of course, maintenance will kill ya on a decent sport
bike unless you do it all yourself... tires are only good for about 5K....
but it's SO much more fun to ride.... waterproof riding suits help.

By the way, the local parts store would be delighted to "special order" some
NGK plugs for me... fortunately, they did have some Bosch plugs... they're
working fine...
--
- Steve

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f0Bwe.3080$Ai.437942@news20.bellglobal.com...
>i wish we had a elantra gt =)
> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:11c51u4ne2so0b3@corp.supernews.com...
>> Thanks for the great advice... sounds like what I said (see previous
>> posts). If I had damaged a plug wire, the Old Champions wouldn't work
>> either.
>>
>> The bottom line is.... that wasn't my question.... was looking for some
>> similar experiences and see if anybody had figured out what was up. If
>> you have an answer to the question, that would be cool.... but I really
>> wasn't thinking of salvaging the car for a set of bad plugs. I'm not the
>> kind of guy that gets great pleasure out of giving money away for parts
>> that don't work.... just wanted to know if anybody had any later info on
>> the autolites, if this is a relatively common issue, etc. It's the
>> principle.... Like I said in the previous post, it sounds like you
>> haven't heard of this happening before.... That answer will suffice.
>>
>> 20 years in physics & engineering has taught me that, if there is a
>> problem, it's best to try and see if you can get to the bottom of the
>> problem before you fix it and recreate the problem again.... If the
>> answers I've gotten here are a reflection on reality, then it must be a
>> fluke.... I may just be the rare individual that bought 4 bad plugs. If
>> you'll stop trying to sell me NGKs, I might go get some... otherwise,
>> just out of spite, I'll by NDs! (hehhe ... just pickin on ya.... ) The
>> answer was obvious from the beginning that I would need new plugs.... but
>> as a physicist, I was looking for the "why" part of the equation.
>> --
>> - Steve
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Aaowe.12617$fM6.10292@trndny04...
>>> The bottom line is that the Autolites don't work, so why stress over it?
>>> Unless you damaged a plug wire during the plug change or something, the
>>> reason is irrellevent. Get new Champions or NGKs and get the car back on
>>> the road.
>>
>>
>
>

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> I'd say start a post on the cupping problem.... I've never met an Elantra
> owner that DIDN'T have a problem with it. The dealers apparently all have a
> consensus that it's because the tires aren't rotated often enough... Put
> 95000 miles on a set of MX4s on my Saturn with ONE rotation.... Running
> about 1000 to 1500 miles a week as a consultant...
>
> The Michellins were ruined in less than 40K on the Elantra... but I kept
> them rotated. The dealers insist it is properly aligned. Insist there is
> no problem. I started having problems and found this group and had A LOT of
> company...... start a post with a title like "Michellin Tire cupping on
> Elantra".... you'll be amazed at the responses you get. You must be new
> here, right?

I've been here for over a year and don't recall seeing anything about
tire cupping in that time. I haven't seen anything on other Elantra
sites, either. People do complain about wearing the Michelins out
quickly, but that's all I've seen.

What are you running for tire pressures? The recommended front tire
pressure (30 psi) is way too low for the load they handle. The general
consensus seems to be that running the tires at ~36/32 front/rear is the
way to go. It improves the handling substantially and results in much
more even tire wear. Installing a Tiburon rear sway bar dramatically
improves the handling with much flatter cornering and also helps to even
out the tire wear.

So far, I've seen no evidence of cupping on my Michelins, but I've only
got ~12-14K miles on them. They get rotated once a year when I take the
snow tires/wheels off in the spring and put the stock wheels and tires
back on. I'm on my second summer with them now.

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> By the way, the local parts store would be delighted to "special order" some
> NGK plugs for me... fortunately, they did have some Bosch plugs... they're
> working fine...

That's good to hear. I was somewhat skeptical of the reports I've heard
about problems with Bosch plugs in the Elantra.

Apparently the Autolites are a mismatch. Perhaps they just don't make
the exact plug needed for the Elantra and tried to substitute something
"close". I guess it's not close enough.

Neil

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:TIRwe.16022$bz6.4550@trndny06...

>
> I've been here for over a year and don't recall seeing anything about
> tire cupping in that time. I haven't seen anything on other Elantra
> sites, either. People do complain about wearing the Michelins out
> quickly, but that's all I've seen.
>

Ditto. Never heard of cupping problems and been reading this group since
Jan 04. Going to have my GT serviced in the next few weeks, and will ask
about cupping/even wear at that time. I've had my GT since Jan 04, and have
around 22k miles on it. IIRC the tires have been rotated twice, and as of
the last inspection were wearing fairly evenly.

jc

In article <42c40d8b$0$18646$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Neil
<NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote:

> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:TIRwe.16022$bz6.4550@trndny06...
>
> >
> > I've been here for over a year and don't recall seeing anything about
> > tire cupping in that time. I haven't seen anything on other Elantra
> > sites, either. People do complain about wearing the Michelins out
> > quickly, but that's all I've seen.
> >
>
> Ditto. Never heard of cupping problems and been reading this group since
> Jan 04. Going to have my GT serviced in the next few weeks, and will ask
> about cupping/even wear at that time. I've had my GT since Jan 04, and have
> around 22k miles on it. IIRC the tires have been rotated twice, and as of
> the last inspection were wearing fairly evenly.

No cupping problems here after 26k miles on my wife's 01 Elantra GLS.
I recently swapped out the MXV4 Michelins for a set of Kumho ECSTA HP4
716s mainly because the Michelins were dreadful in the wet. The Kumhos
are much better than the Michelins, especially in the wet, plus they're
much quieter on the highway.

FWIW, I rotate the tires every 5k miles and I end up getting a 4 wheel
alignment about every 10-12k miles mostly because the roads here in
metro Boston are in such bad shape.

--
toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Blue Flash

If you take the car into the dealer, they should be able to put it back into
spec so that it'll cup the tires. They might even do it under warranty.
:-) I just casually mentioned the tire problem. I'm really not looking for
any help there, but thanks anyway. To me it's like an old British
motorcycle.... you just learn to live with the oil leaks.

If you haven't heard about the cupping problem, then I guess you might just
not have been paying close attention... or it just wasn't a concern to
you.... The claim was often that it was an "inherent" problem with
independent rear suspension systems. Hence, I don't rely too much on
"concensus" opinions... It's all physics. I can deal with that... Give them
another 5 to 10 thousand miles and pay close attention.... the vibration
will slowly creep in, and when it does, it's really too late. You can run
32, 34 psi in the tires... whatever... it really won't matter. You should
start to notice it first under braking. Watch closely on the inside edges.
That's where the flat spots will start...
--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:TIRwe.16022$bz6.4550@trndny06...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> I'd say start a post on the cupping problem.... I've never met an
>> Elantra owner that DIDN'T have a problem with it. The dealers apparently
>> all have a consensus that it's because the tires aren't rotated often
>> enough... Put 95000 miles on a set of MX4s on my Saturn with ONE
>> rotation.... Running about 1000 to 1500 miles a week as a consultant...
>>
>> The Michellins were ruined in less than 40K on the Elantra... but I kept
>> them rotated. The dealers insist it is properly aligned. Insist there
>> is no problem. I started having problems and found this group and had A
>> LOT of company...... start a post with a title like "Michellin Tire
>> cupping on Elantra".... you'll be amazed at the responses you get. You
>> must be new here, right?
>
> I've been here for over a year and don't recall seeing anything about tire
> cupping in that time. I haven't seen anything on other Elantra sites,
> either. People do complain about wearing the Michelins out quickly, but
> that's all I've seen.
>
> What are you running for tire pressures? The recommended front tire
> pressure (30 psi) is way too low for the load they handle. The general
> consensus seems to be that running the tires at ~36/32 front/rear is the
> way to go. It improves the handling substantially and results in much more
> even tire wear. Installing a Tiburon rear sway bar dramatically improves
> the handling with much flatter cornering and also helps to even out the
> tire wear.
>
> So far, I've seen no evidence of cupping on my Michelins, but I've only
> got ~12-14K miles on them. They get rotated once a year when I take the
> snow tires/wheels off in the spring and put the stock wheels and tires
> back on. I'm on my second summer with them now.

Blue Flash

Could be..... I was hoping somebody could confirm that.... Then again, I
could be the only guy that ever got garbage plugs like that... COULD
happen... Still, I don't like spending money at Wally World anyway, and I
certainly don't like just donating it to them.... I was just looking for
some concrete info as to what might be the issue. Just may not be enough of
a problem to show itself much.

--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jPRwe.16023$bz6.9219@trndny06...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> By the way, the local parts store would be delighted to "special order"
>> some NGK plugs for me... fortunately, they did have some Bosch plugs...
>> they're working fine...
>
> That's good to hear. I was somewhat skeptical of the reports I've heard
> about problems with Bosch plugs in the Elantra.
>
> Apparently the Autolites are a mismatch. Perhaps they just don't make the
> exact plug needed for the Elantra and tried to substitute something
> "close". I guess it's not close enough.