Blue Flash

I've been here since about late 02... Maybe you guys just came in too late.
Once I hit about 30 to 35K miles on the Michellins, I started noticing the
vibrations..... by then, it was too late to save em... I just drove the
massage machine until I got tired of it, and then bought better rain tires
that were 1/2 the price of the MX4s. The misconception, though, is that
these tires wear out quickly and are poorly made. Unfortunately, that's
just simply not true. They hydroplane on water and don't stick to wet
pavement worth a darn, but they stick like razors on the dry stuff.

On other small cars you can expect 90,000+ miles. I got that out of one set
on a Saturn SL2, even when I was racing back and forth from Knoxville TN to
Chillicothe OH and back every weekend. I could go door to door in under 4
hours. That's 326 miles per MSN Maps..... about 1/3 of the trip is tight,
twisty 2-lane backroads ... that might give you an idea of how hard I ran
those tires..... They started to drift rather predictably, so it was easy to
push them to the edge, and the speed limiter on the Saturn kicked in at
117.... Over 1/2 of the 90,000 miles I got out of that set was at high speed
and hard cornering... They DO last a long time... just not on an Elantra.
It's not the tires that are the problem.
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- Steve

"jc" <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote in message
news:300620051145437762%toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid...
> In article <42c40d8b$0$18646$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Neil
> <NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:TIRwe.16022$bz6.4550@trndny06...
>>
>> >
>> > I've been here for over a year and don't recall seeing anything about
>> > tire cupping in that time. I haven't seen anything on other Elantra
>> > sites, either. People do complain about wearing the Michelins out
>> > quickly, but that's all I've seen.
>> >
>>
>> Ditto. Never heard of cupping problems and been reading this group since
>> Jan 04. Going to have my GT serviced in the next few weeks, and will ask
>> about cupping/even wear at that time. I've had my GT since Jan 04, and
>> have
>> around 22k miles on it. IIRC the tires have been rotated twice, and as
>> of
>> the last inspection were wearing fairly evenly.
>
> No cupping problems here after 26k miles on my wife's 01 Elantra GLS.
> I recently swapped out the MXV4 Michelins for a set of Kumho ECSTA HP4
> 716s mainly because the Michelins were dreadful in the wet. The Kumhos
> are much better than the Michelins, especially in the wet, plus they're
> much quieter on the highway.
>
> FWIW, I rotate the tires every 5k miles and I end up getting a 4 wheel
> alignment about every 10-12k miles mostly because the roads here in
> metro Boston are in such bad shape.
>
> --
> toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

jc

In article <11c92pf5qigf674@corp.supernews.com>, Blue Flash
<bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote:

> I've been here since about late 02... Maybe you guys just came in too late.

I've been lurking here, trying to get anecdotal information regarding
the Elantra, since before we bought the 2001 GLS. Yours is the first
post I've seen referring to cupping.

A google search of alt.autos.hyundai shows that you are the only one
who has complained of this problem.

Also, I researched the entire Elantra archive at hyundau-forums.com
and there are exactly zero references to this problem.

--
toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Blue Flash

Well, ok, but I was pretty involved in some of the threads... that was about
the time my vibration started... I'm not making it up... swear... you guys
can tell me it's not so..... but I was young in the 60s.... don't think it
was a flashback.....
--
- Steve

"jc" <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote in message
news:300620052205474917%toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid...
> In article <11c92pf5qigf674@corp.supernews.com>, Blue Flash
> <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> I've been here since about late 02... Maybe you guys just came in too
>> late.
>
> I've been lurking here, trying to get anecdotal information regarding
> the Elantra, since before we bought the 2001 GLS. Yours is the first
> post I've seen referring to cupping.
>
> A google search of alt.autos.hyundai shows that you are the only one
> who has complained of this problem.
>
> Also, I researched the entire Elantra archive at hyundau-forums.com
> and there are exactly zero references to this problem.
>
> --
> toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> Well, ok, but I was pretty involved in some of the threads... that was about
> the time my vibration started... I'm not making it up... swear... you guys
> can tell me it's not so..... but I was young in the 60s.... don't think it
> was a flashback.....

I don't think anyone here is disputing that you had problems with your
tires cupping. It would be pretty stupid to argue that. The issue is
whether it's a common problem, possibly caused by a design flaw. The
lack of other cupping complaints indicates that's probably not the case.

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> Could be..... I was hoping somebody could confirm that.... Then again, I
> could be the only guy that ever got garbage plugs like that... COULD
> happen... Still, I don't like spending money at Wally World anyway, and I
> certainly don't like just donating it to them.... I was just looking for
> some concrete info as to what might be the issue. Just may not be enough of
> a problem to show itself much.
>
There is one way to find out. Try swapping in one Autolite at a time to
see if the engine misfires. You may find that you have one bad plug.

Blue Flash

True... since you weren't involved in the other problems, they didn't exist.
Must be those drugs I didn't do in the 60's that makes me remember the
people that I didn't discuss it with that obviously didn't have the
problem.... I work with two people with the same problem, and discussed it
with a number of others here. I'm sorry, next time we'll make sure we hunt
you down ....

Whatever you do, always assume that you're ignorance of information is proof
that it doesn't exist...

Have a nice day... I have better things to do than waste my time trying to
explain these things to a self-proclaimed orb of knowledge...

--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:E19xe.6048$Bn6.5366@trndny08...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> Well, ok, but I was pretty involved in some of the threads... that was
>> about the time my vibration started... I'm not making it up... swear...
>> you guys can tell me it's not so..... but I was young in the 60s....
>> don't think it was a flashback.....
>
> I don't think anyone here is disputing that you had problems with your
> tires cupping. It would be pretty stupid to argue that. The issue is
> whether it's a common problem, possibly caused by a design flaw. The lack
> of other cupping complaints indicates that's probably not the case.

Blue Flash

If you will notice my FIRST post... I did that. The answer to my question
(not yours) is that you guys don't have any knowledge of a systemic problem
here..... I'm done here....



--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c39xe.6049$Bn6.4474@trndny08...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> Could be..... I was hoping somebody could confirm that.... Then again, I
>> could be the only guy that ever got garbage plugs like that... COULD
>> happen... Still, I don't like spending money at Wally World anyway, and I
>> certainly don't like just donating it to them.... I was just looking for
>> some concrete info as to what might be the issue. Just may not be enough
>> of a problem to show itself much.
>>
> There is one way to find out. Try swapping in one Autolite at a time to
> see if the engine misfires. You may find that you have one bad plug.

jc

In article <11cbcdi8cvknb01@corp.supernews.com>, Blue Flash
<bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote:

> True... since you weren't involved in the other problems, they didn't exist.
> Must be those drugs I didn't do in the 60's that makes me remember the
> people that I didn't discuss it with that obviously didn't have the
> problem.... I work with two people with the same problem, and discussed it
> with a number of others here. I'm sorry, next time we'll make sure we hunt
> you down ....
>
> Whatever you do, always assume that you're ignorance of information is proof
> that it doesn't exist...

If there was a thread about Elantra tire problems in this newsgroup a
Google search would have revealed it. But it didn't because there was
none. If the alleged design flaw was as wide as you claim it
would have had at least *some* mention at hyundai-forums.com. But it
did not.

> Have a nice day... I have better things to do than waste my time trying to
> explain these things to a self-proclaimed orb of knowledge...

Oh, come on, Brian didn't say anything out of line. If you could
substantiate what you claim there would be no problem. I did my Google
search not to discredit you but to find out to what degree the problem
actually exists because I don't want my wife driving a fundamentally
flawed vehicle back and forth to work.

As I said before, I could not find anything in the archives of this
newsgroup or at hyundai-forums.com referring to abnormal tire wear on
any Hyundai.

--
toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Blue Flash

"jc" <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote in message
news:010720052336129757%toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid...
> In article <11cbcdi8cvknb01@corp.supernews.com>, Blue Flash
> <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> True... since you weren't involved in the other problems, they didn't
>> exist.
>> Must be those drugs I didn't do in the 60's that makes me remember the
>> people that I didn't discuss it with that obviously didn't have the
>> problem.... I work with two people with the same problem, and discussed
>> it
>> with a number of others here. I'm sorry, next time we'll make sure we
>> hunt
>> you down ....
>>
>> Whatever you do, always assume that you're ignorance of information is
>> proof
>> that it doesn't exist...
>
> If there was a thread about Elantra tire problems in this newsgroup a
> Google search would have revealed it. But it didn't because there was
> none. If the alleged design flaw was as wide as you claim it
> would have had at least *some* mention at hyundai-forums.com. But it
> did not.

Sorry you couldn't find it. It's been a while. I'm sure the archived have
been purged since then.... most NGs only keep archives for a year or 2....
it's been 3. You also said (I believe) that you only had about 20K? on the
tires. I'd like to see a progress post at 40K if you would. Tires that go
90K miles without a hitch on other cars, but only 1/2 that on a Hyundai does
not indicate a bad tire.... hence, sounds like a car problem. I'm sure Tina
will be really excited to hear that she really didn't have the flat spots on
her tires at 35K, and that she really didn't have to replace the tires.
>
>> Have a nice day... I have better things to do than waste my time trying
>> to
>> explain these things to a self-proclaimed orb of knowledge...
>
> Oh, come on, Brian didn't say anything out of line. If you could
> substantiate what you claim there would be no problem. I did my Google
> search not to discredit you but to find out to what degree the problem
> actually exists because I don't want my wife driving a fundamentally
> flawed vehicle back and forth to work.

So I take it you didn't see the initial post either. Brian kept trying to
answer a different question that I asked, and when I repeatedly noted that
my question was regarding information on Autolites and bad plugs... etc....
In my first or second post, I said that I had put the new plugs in, it
didn't run... old ones back in, it ran. replaced one at a time with the
Autolites, it backfired / sputtered after only two.... used two different
autolites, same result. It took umteen dozen posts of him telling me what
plugs to buy and where to get them.... (WRONG QUESTION)... and even after
repeatedly noting that I was well aware of how to make the car right and
noting that I was perfectly aware that NGK made new plugs, he refused to
accept that the answer to the only question he seemed to know was some
how.... the answer to the wrong question. However, he managed to tap his
intellectual power to finally suggest that I do what I said I did right up
front...

By the way, when I went to get plugs, I believe you mentioned Bosch plugs,
and when I saw they were available, I went with them.... of course, that's
after NGK was a "special order" and NDs weren't even on the list. You got
in late, and with Brian trying to sell me plugs, I'm sure that's what you
would have thought it was about. It wasn't. I appreciate you trying to
help. However, if you ask what the torque specs are on the head bolt for
the Hyundai, and I took off on a tear insisting that you buy XYZ head gasket
over and over.... arguing with anything you say until you realized that you
don't know what your questions is...... would that eventually become
irritating? As I told Brian several times.... I guess then the answer to my
question is "No, you don't know of any systemic problems with the autolite
plugs"..... (that's not a quote from a previous post... but if you look
you'll see it). I was fine with that, but he seemed to be determined that
somehow I was going to learn something from his limitless inventory of
irrelevant knowledge...

It's pretty rare that a NG keeps archives for more than a couple years. I'm
sure by now that those issues have been purged. Since I couldn't get any
reasonable answers to my questions, I dropped out of the NG for quite a
while. I'm sure a lot of others got frustrated as well and bugged out,
looking for a better source.
>
> As I said before, I could not find anything in the archives of this
> newsgroup or at hyundai-forums.com referring to abnormal tire wear on
> any Hyundai.
>
I'm not surprised, (see above re: archiving) but you weren't there. Brian
(according to his first comment) wasn't there either. Of course, after I
noted the time frame that I got the info, Brian went back in time and added
another year to his time on the NG. Convenient... However, as I also noted
in a previous post.... I DON'T NEED HELP ON THE TIRE ISSUE. It's the way it
is, and if I find a solution, then I'll be glad to share... of course since
it's really not a problem, then maybe I won't. However, I greatly
appreciate you two going to such great extremes to let me know that the
money spent and experiences I've had were really just trips to the twilight
zone.

It appears from your posts that you are trying to help, and I appreciate
that. I only mentioned the tire issue in passing, thinking since there HAD
been so much info flying around a few years ago that it was fairly common
knowledge. Brian's tires hadn't cupped either... of course, he doen't have
many miles on them either, or is he the one that replaced them at 10K??
hmmm... You are at least trying to only provide info that you can back up,
and I appreciate it.

As I may have implied before, I haven't posted to this NG in quite a while.
This is probably my first post in over a year. As I recall from before, we
had a good group of people that really were trying to help each other
resolve issues, share info, etc. I miss that. Hyundaitech is a really good
source of info, and adds a lot to the group. However, I guess I'll just
have to ignore the bogus posts from now on if I resort to asking a question
again, but right now that looks like an unlikely scenario.

Soap box back in the closet....
pressure vented to atmospheric.....
Blue Flash exits the NG in search of a better source of info....

> --
> toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Neil

"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11cd6ldsm1n5j84@corp.supernews.com...

>
> Sorry you couldn't find it. It's been a while. I'm sure the archived
have
> been purged since then.... most NGs only keep archives for a year or 2....
> it's been 3.

I believe that Google archive all postings and don't purge. Perhaps if
you'd take the time to provide evidence of the tire issues rather than rant
at people who say they can't find any evidence, you'd live a little longer.

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:

<ridiculous rant snipped>

Your revision of the history of this thread isn't fooling anyone. As for
this nonsense about me having gone "back in time and added another year
to his time on the NG", are you completely delusional or something? Get
a grip.

No one is currently complaining about cupped tires except you. Even if a
problem did exist years ago (note that I'm giving you the benefit of the
doubt here), it's apparently no longer a problem, for whatever reason.
Can you understand that?

It's completely irrational to take a few anecdotal complaints (again I'm
giving you the benefit of the doubt) and assume that there's a systemic
problem spanning several model years including the current one,
especially in the absence of any current complaints.

Tire wear reports have to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt, since tire
wear is EXTREMELY dependent on driving habits and maintenance. Wear
reports without context are worthless.

As for the plugs, you say the Autolites didn't work. Fine. No one here
has disputed that assertion. People here recommended other brands that
are known to work well, you chose one and the problem is solved. Fine
again. By now it should be obvious that no one here is able to give you
an explanation. If you want answers, take it up with Autolite.

It sounds like you've got bigger issues in your life than plugs that
don't work and cupped tires. For your sake, I hope you resolve them, too.

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> If you will notice my FIRST post... I did that.

Sorry, this thread has gone on for so long that I forgot that.

> The answer to my question
> (not yours) is that you guys don't have any knowledge of a systemic problem
> here.....

That seems to be the case.

> I'm done here....

Sure, whatever.

Blue Flash

--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
newsLBye.33946$Cm6.23979@trndny02...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>
> <ridiculous rant snipped>
>
<ridiculous defensive rant snipped>

See post below for the summary.

Blue Flash

--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4NBye.33947$Cm6.10940@trndny02...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> If you will notice my FIRST post... I did that.
>
> Sorry, this thread has gone on for so long that I forgot that.
>
>> The answer to my question (not yours) is that you guys don't have any
>> knowledge of a systemic problem here.....
>
> That seems to be the case.
>
>> I'm done here....
>
> Sure, whatever.

As I noted many times, and as you may note from the text above.... the
question was very simple. This answer is all I was looking for. I'll try
to find an easier question for you next time.