I've read all the posts in this thread. And while you could have phrased
your reply to provide valuable information without disclosing the facts of
the settlement, you didn't do that. Instead, you also chose to post that
your settlement was the price of repairs. That would indeed violate a
nondisclosure agreement. So I guess I'm on board with all the others that
criticized you here.

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Just from the symptoms, it sounds like a wear issue. If you complain to
Hyundai, they may or may not assist.

If you don't receive assistance, you'll wind up paying for repairs
yourself. You could go to small claims or other court, but winning won't
be a certainty.

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I just want to add that people shouldn't be aghast at replacing a clutch a
43k miles. Superior drivers, like most of us here<grin> can nurse a clutch
for much longer, but we all know that one poorly excecuted drag race at the
lights, or one instance or being mired in mud, or a single messy up hill
start in the snow can doom that critter. Just ask my wife. Also, one thing I
wonder about is the OP's costs... seem quite high, and why not resurface the
flywheel. Ya, I top posted.


"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> Just from the symptoms, it sounds like a wear issue. If you complain to
> Hyundai, they may or may not assist.
>
> If you don't receive assistance, you'll wind up paying for repairs
> yourself. You could go to small claims or other court, but winning won't
> be a certainty.

 

Thanks Darby, and for all the other posts.

It just pisses me off that the clutch went out at 47K - I think it should
have lasted longer, especially since it's not driven hard. Further, the
flywheel has to be replaced - $1050 just for the part and no after market
available. My personal opinion of Hyundai has really diminished to the point
where I won't ever buy another one. Their warranty doesn't count for much of
anything.


"Darby OGill" <darbyogill@net.net> wrote in message
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>I just want to add that people shouldn't be aghast at replacing a clutch a
>43k miles. Superior drivers, like most of us here<grin> can nurse a clutch
>for much longer, but we all know that one poorly excecuted drag race at the
>lights, or one instance or being mired in mud, or a single messy up hill
>start in the snow can doom that critter. Just ask my wife. Also, one thing
>I wonder about is the OP's costs... seem quite high, and why not resurface
>the flywheel. Ya, I top posted.
>
>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:d2ca61e03a6e9ca0921b8a0b2392e055@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> Just from the symptoms, it sounds like a wear issue. If you complain to
>> Hyundai, they may or may not assist.
>>
>> If you don't receive assistance, you'll wind up paying for repairs
>> yourself. You could go to small claims or other court, but winning won't
>> be a certainty.
>
>

 

I understand your position and appreciate that you at least acknowledged that I
may have provided useful information in response to a request for information.
What you may want to consider is that informing the requester about the
nondisclose agreement also conveyed potentially useful information. What you
also may want to consider is that the nondisclosure language was not
boilerplate language and did not prevent my communication here. Providing
copies of the pleadings would have violated the terms of nondisclosure. In any
event, it's too bad the responders (but perhaps significantly not the original
requester) are much too quick to jump to conclusions and insult rather than
encourage discussion.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>I've read all the posts in this thread. And while you could have phrased
>your reply to provide valuable information without disclosing the facts of
>the settlement, you didn't do that. Instead, you also chose to post that
>your settlement was the price of repairs. That would indeed violate a
>nondisclosure agreement. So I guess I'm on board with all the others that
>criticized you here.
>
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"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> You could go to small claims or other court, but winning won't
> be a certainty.

And if you win, you may not be able to tell anyone about it
>

 

Unlike most clutches, the damper in this system is in the flywheel rather
than the clutch disc. Not only can the flywheel not be resurfaced, it's
also very expensive.

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Disgruntled wrote:
> I suggest you read Michael's original post - you know, the one that asked for
> feedback because he believed that Hyundai was acting in a deceptive manner.
> That's what newsgroups are all about - responding to requests for information;
> you would be wise to think about that before trying to stifle a reply to
> someone else's request for feedback.
>
> And on't worry, I am moving on, bloke. That'll keep this group more
> homogenous, so you won't have to read comments you don't like and therefore
> judge as untrustworthy. G'day.

G'Day Mate.

 

Disgruntled wrote:
> I understand your position and appreciate that you at least acknowledged that I
> may have provided useful information in response to a request for information.
> What you may want to consider is that informing the requester about the
> nondisclose agreement also conveyed potentially useful information. What you
> also may want to consider is that the nondisclosure language was not
> boilerplate language and did not prevent my communication here. Providing
> copies of the pleadings would have violated the terms of nondisclosure. In any
> event, it's too bad the responders (but perhaps significantly not the original
> requester) are much too quick to jump to conclusions and insult rather than
> encourage discussion.

Information useful if it can be trusted. You aren't a trustworthy
person and thus your information isn't trustworthy and is thus not useful.

Matt

 

Michael wrote:
> Thanks Darby, and for all the other posts.
>
> It just pisses me off that the clutch went out at 47K - I think it should
> have lasted longer, especially since it's not driven hard. Further, the
> flywheel has to be replaced - $1050 just for the part and no after market
> available. My personal opinion of Hyundai has really diminished to the point
> where I won't ever buy another one. Their warranty doesn't count for much of
> anything.

I agree that a clutch should last much longer than that under normal
conditions, but Hyundai has no idea as to whether your car was driven
"normally" or hard. The same problem exists with brake linings. I
often get 60,000 miles out of disk pads, yet I know many people lucky to
get 12,000 and you need only one ride with them to know why.

The problem with wear items like this is that their life is necessity
VERY dependent on driver technique and the car maker has no control over
that. I'm concerned that my Sonata clutch is not going to have a long
life as it is a VERY hard car to drive such as to be easy on the clutch.
The clutch is too light with little feedback during engagement and the
throttle is like a switch. This makes if very hard to start out with
anything less than 1500 or so RPM. With my Chevy truck, I can modulate
the throttle and clutch such that I can start out smartly yet smoothly
and never exceed 1,000 RPM before the clutch is fully engaged. Doing
this with my Sonata is nearly impossible and can be done only with
intense concentration and with a very slow start - not very conducive to
driving in heavy traffic with a line of cars behind you waiting for you
to get going.

Matt

 

hyundaitech wrote:
> Unlike most clutches, the damper in this system is in the flywheel rather
> than the clutch disc. Not only can the flywheel not be resurfaced, it's
> also very expensive.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean that the spring center is in the
flywheel rather than the clutch disk? By this I mean the springs that
are oriented circumferentially and allow the disk to rotate slightly in
relation to the splines so as to absorb rotational shocks.

Matt

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> Thanks Darby, and for all the other posts.
>>
>> It just pisses me off that the clutch went out at 47K - I think it should
>> have lasted longer, especially since it's not driven hard. Further, the
>> flywheel has to be replaced - $1050 just for the part and no after market
>> available. My personal opinion of Hyundai has really diminished to the
>> point where I won't ever buy another one. Their warranty doesn't count
>> for much of anything.
>
> I agree that a clutch should last much longer than that under normal
> conditions, but Hyundai has no idea as to whether your car was driven
> "normally" or hard. The same problem exists with brake linings. I often
> get 60,000 miles out of disk pads, yet I know many people lucky to get
> 12,000 and you need only one ride with them to know why.
>
> The problem with wear items like this is that their life is necessity VERY
> dependent on driver technique and the car maker has no control over that.
> I'm concerned that my Sonata clutch is not going to have a long life as it
> is a VERY hard car to drive such as to be easy on the clutch. The clutch
> is too light with little feedback during engagement and the throttle is
> like a switch. This makes if very hard to start out with anything less
> than 1500 or so RPM. With my Chevy truck, I can modulate the throttle and
> clutch such that I can start out smartly yet smoothly and never exceed
> 1,000 RPM before the clutch is fully engaged. Doing this with my Sonata
> is nearly impossible and can be done only with intense concentration and
> with a very slow start - not very conducive to driving in heavy traffic
> with a line of cars behind you waiting for you to get going.
>
> Matt

Matt,

I understand your point regarding items that wear and Hyundai having no idea
whether the item was abused or not. That doesn't work for me though. It is
too subjective, therefore there must be objective criteria for the service
person to use in order to judge whether abuse or misuse ocurred.

Thanks for the reply.

 

Matt wrote:
"What do you mean by this? Do you mean that the spring center is in the
flywheel rather than the clutch disk? By this I mean the springs that are
oriented circumferentially and allow the disk to rotate slightly in
relation to the splines so as to absorb rotational shocks."

Pretty much. I've never actually tried to take one of these flywheels
apart to see what the dampers look like, so I'm not sure that the
mechanism looks like it does on the clutch disc. In this system, the
clutch disc is solid-- the fibers are attached to the disc, which is part
now essentially part of the hub, rather than being attached via the
dampers (the circumferential spring assemblies). The flywheel has two
parts, joined by a damper, and it's possible to turn the transmission side
of the flywheel about 20 degrees or so with respect to the engine side.


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Since I'm not that great at describing things, I did some googling on "dual
mass flywheel," and here's one of the better links I've found. It's the
LuK website.

http://www.luk.com/content.luk.de/en...ew/zms_new.jsp

I do wish, however, everyone would stop using the verb "dampen" and the
noun "dampener" to indicate the verb "damp" and the noun "damper." Am I
alone in this?

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hyundaitech wrote:

> Since I'm not that great at describing things, I did some googling on "dual
> mass flywheel," and here's one of the better links I've found. It's the
> LuK website.
>
> http://www.luk.com/content.luk.de/en...ew/zms_new.jsp
>
> I do wish, however, everyone would stop using the verb "dampen" and the
> noun "dampener" to indicate the verb "damp" and the noun "damper." Am I
> alone in this?
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Amen, brother! Dampener Verboten!

Good job finding the Luk link. Bookmarked
(Anyone visiting the site, click on "Detail" for the inside story.)

No freakin' wonder the flywheel costs over a grand!!

Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/