Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

> I must apologize to all respondants to this part of my inquiry, and
> offer a modification to my observations. This morning I made a point
> of paying extra attention to the issue and noted that, while there is
> indeed a little extra mechanical resistance, the sudden acceleration
> didn't correlate as closely with the "breaking" of the pedel as I
> previously perceived. There is actually a very tiny delay between that
> event and the sudden acceleration, leading me to suspect the
> electronics as the culprit. Does that sound more reasonable? If so,
> is it something easily addressed by the dealer?
>

I have a similar problem with my 06 Sonata. The dealer told me that the
electronics can't be adjusted. Mine is clearly an electronics problem,
not a sticking problem. The throttle is very touchy and has a slight
delay in actuation. Makes driving standard shift a bear.

I should have taken a longer test drive. I assumed my trouble was
simply lack of familiarity with the car since I typically drive a
full-size Chevy pickup with standard shift. However, now that I've
owned the Sonata for two months, I know it isn't a familiarity issue.
It is a design issue with the electronic throttle. I've gotten better
with it, but I still can't make consistent smooth starts without either
over or under reving the engine.

If I'd known this was characteristic of the vehicle, I would not have
bought it, or at least wouldn't have bought the standard shift model.


Matt

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

> I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
> wanted something smaller?

Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
for the buck.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

> I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
> wanted something smaller?

Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
for the buck.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

> I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
> wanted something smaller?

Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
for the buck.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

>>I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
>>wanted something smaller?
>
>
> Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
> longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
> to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
> Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
> for the buck.
>

Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.


Matt

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

>>I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
>>wanted something smaller?
>
>
> Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
> longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
> to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
> Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
> for the buck.
>

Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.


Matt

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

>>I'm curious, why didn't you buy another Explorer or an Escape if you
>>wanted something smaller?
>
>
> Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
> longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
> to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
> Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
> for the buck.
>

Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.


Matt

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:t6OKf.6612$lb.569778@news1.epix.net...

>
> Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
> of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
> I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
> sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
> every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
> it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.
>
>

Ahhhh - the reason for so many types of cars on the road today. We all
have our triggers and when something like the pedal on the 06 Sonata just
seems to lay on your hot-button it's almost amazing how big a small issue
can become. So far my Sonata (04) hasn't let me down, but I bought it used.
It was pretty much what it appeared to be, so for me, all the car really has
to do is continue to run like it does for a reasonable time before I have to
fix it. I believe I'd be a lot like you with the gas pedal issue though
Matt. That would probably bug the hell out of me. Think back to how we
used to work to get the hesitation and little hic-cough out of a Rochester
carburetor in the 60's and 70's, so that throttle response was instantaneous
and full. To sit in a car today which by design somehow intends to defy
that fundamental, just wouldn't seem right. It would certainly drive me
nuts.

Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:t6OKf.6612$lb.569778@news1.epix.net...

>
> Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
> of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
> I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
> sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
> every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
> it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.
>
>

Ahhhh - the reason for so many types of cars on the road today. We all
have our triggers and when something like the pedal on the 06 Sonata just
seems to lay on your hot-button it's almost amazing how big a small issue
can become. So far my Sonata (04) hasn't let me down, but I bought it used.
It was pretty much what it appeared to be, so for me, all the car really has
to do is continue to run like it does for a reasonable time before I have to
fix it. I believe I'd be a lot like you with the gas pedal issue though
Matt. That would probably bug the hell out of me. Think back to how we
used to work to get the hesitation and little hic-cough out of a Rochester
carburetor in the 60's and 70's, so that throttle response was instantaneous
and full. To sit in a car today which by design somehow intends to defy
that fundamental, just wouldn't seem right. It would certainly drive me
nuts.

Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:t6OKf.6612$lb.569778@news1.epix.net...

>
> Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
> of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
> I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
> sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
> every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
> it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.
>
>

Ahhhh - the reason for so many types of cars on the road today. We all
have our triggers and when something like the pedal on the 06 Sonata just
seems to lay on your hot-button it's almost amazing how big a small issue
can become. So far my Sonata (04) hasn't let me down, but I bought it used.
It was pretty much what it appeared to be, so for me, all the car really has
to do is continue to run like it does for a reasonable time before I have to
fix it. I believe I'd be a lot like you with the gas pedal issue though
Matt. That would probably bug the hell out of me. Think back to how we
used to work to get the hesitation and little hic-cough out of a Rochester
carburetor in the 60's and 70's, so that throttle response was instantaneous
and full. To sit in a car today which by design somehow intends to defy
that fundamental, just wouldn't seem right. It would certainly drive me
nuts.

Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
> has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
> by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic throttle
that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes me as a
violation of the two prime directives of engineering:

1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).

2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
> has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
> by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic throttle
that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes me as a
violation of the two prime directives of engineering:

1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).

2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
> has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
> by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.

I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic throttle
that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes me as a
violation of the two prime directives of engineering:

1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).

2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

"WuzYoungOnceToo" <wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1140625062.094764.319570@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com:

> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable
>> system as has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would
>> ever be replaced by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes
>> improvement is not really.
>
> I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
> engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic
> throttle that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes
> me as a violation of the two prime directives of engineering:
>
> 1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).
>
> 2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
>

Although it is only a minor annoyance to me personally, I have to agree
with you guys. I do think that it plays some part in the whole
traction/skid control system, but I would think that a cable system would
be workable somehow too.

Eric

Re: 2005 Santa Fe Accelerator
 

"WuzYoungOnceToo" <wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1140625062.094764.319570@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com:

> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable
>> system as has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would
>> ever be replaced by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes
>> improvement is not really.
>
> I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
> engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic
> throttle that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes
> me as a violation of the two prime directives of engineering:
>
> 1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).
>
> 2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
>

Although it is only a minor annoyance to me personally, I have to agree
with you guys. I do think that it plays some part in the whole
traction/skid control system, but I would think that a cable system would
be workable somehow too.

Eric