Nick wrote:

> One thing to notice is that this report is on "initial quality" and not "long
> term quality". Don't get me wrong, I think Hyundai is making excellent cars and
> are a lot more reliable than any domestic cars, but they are not in the same
> league as Japanese or German manufactures.

I agree. Hyundai (and the rest of the world for that matter, except
maybe Italy) is well ahead of the Germans, but still not up with the
Japanese, at least not the best of the Japanese.


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:39:38 -0400, "Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>
>
> I agree, to a point.
>
> All I have to go by is MY initial quality. After 4 months and 4K miles,
> only 1 problem. (ka-thunk in the trunk). That represents the best build
> quality of any car I've owned, by far. This is my 7th new car. I've owned
> VW, Audi, Mazda, and Toyota, and none of them were close to my Sonata in
> initial build quality. Of course, each successive car I buy has better build
> quality, so I chalk some of it up to general improvement in the industry.

Yes, we trust our own experience the most!

I've found the Sonata pretty good, but only equivalent to my 86 Jeep
Comanche and 84 Honda Accord, but not as good as my 94 Chevy pickup or
my 89 Plymouth Acclaim, the latter being the best car I've ever owned
both from initial quality as well as long-term durability. The Chevy
pickup really only had two problems, one a design problem that couldn't
be corrected (stumbling at partial throttle) and one major problem
(pushrod failure), or it would have been the equal of the Acclaim.

My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
defects that we'd discussed before here.


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:39:38 -0400, "Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>
>
> I agree, to a point.
>
> All I have to go by is MY initial quality. After 4 months and 4K miles,
> only 1 problem. (ka-thunk in the trunk). That represents the best build
> quality of any car I've owned, by far. This is my 7th new car. I've owned
> VW, Audi, Mazda, and Toyota, and none of them were close to my Sonata in
> initial build quality. Of course, each successive car I buy has better build
> quality, so I chalk some of it up to general improvement in the industry.

Yes, we trust our own experience the most!

I've found the Sonata pretty good, but only equivalent to my 86 Jeep
Comanche and 84 Honda Accord, but not as good as my 94 Chevy pickup or
my 89 Plymouth Acclaim, the latter being the best car I've ever owned
both from initial quality as well as long-term durability. The Chevy
pickup really only had two problems, one a design problem that couldn't
be corrected (stumbling at partial throttle) and one major problem
(pushrod failure), or it would have been the equal of the Acclaim.

My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
defects that we'd discussed before here.


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:39:38 -0400, "Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>
>
> I agree, to a point.
>
> All I have to go by is MY initial quality. After 4 months and 4K miles,
> only 1 problem. (ka-thunk in the trunk). That represents the best build
> quality of any car I've owned, by far. This is my 7th new car. I've owned
> VW, Audi, Mazda, and Toyota, and none of them were close to my Sonata in
> initial build quality. Of course, each successive car I buy has better build
> quality, so I chalk some of it up to general improvement in the industry.

Yes, we trust our own experience the most!

I've found the Sonata pretty good, but only equivalent to my 86 Jeep
Comanche and 84 Honda Accord, but not as good as my 94 Chevy pickup or
my 89 Plymouth Acclaim, the latter being the best car I've ever owned
both from initial quality as well as long-term durability. The Chevy
pickup really only had two problems, one a design problem that couldn't
be corrected (stumbling at partial throttle) and one major problem
(pushrod failure), or it would have been the equal of the Acclaim.

My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
defects that we'd discussed before here.


Matt

 

sour grapes?

 

sour grapes?

 

sour grapes?

 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:25:00 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
>defects that we'd discussed before here.

I think there is probably a correlation between build quality and long term
reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that little stuff falls off
of when new have big stuff fall off later.
--
Bob

 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:25:00 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
>defects that we'd discussed before here.

I think there is probably a correlation between build quality and long term
reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that little stuff falls off
of when new have big stuff fall off later.
--
Bob

 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:25:00 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
>defects that we'd discussed before here.

I think there is probably a correlation between build quality and long term
reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that little stuff falls off
of when new have big stuff fall off later.
--
Bob

 

Bob Adkins said: "I think there is probably a correlation between build
quality and long term reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that
little stuff falls off of when new have big stuff fall off later. "......


Hmm.

Don't get me wrong, Bob, because I am a pro-Hyundai guy. But exhibit A
arguing against your point of view is General Motors.

Since the J.D. Powers initial quality survey has begun, GM has had some cars
rate very highly, and some of their brands do awfully well. And indeed,
GM's initial build quality seems to have improved dramatically.

But the effects are yet to be seen long-term. I stopped buying GM's
because, although I was a GM guy, their vehicles would always have issues,
things I even invented a word to describe them - "GM-isms." The improvement
on initial quality seemed to just put those inevitable problems back a
little ways.

In defense of your position, even when brands like Hyundai and Kia weren't
working their way up the totem pole, I have NEVER had problems with any of
them like I did with every GM, Ford and Chrysler I ever owned, no matter
what J.D. Powers said.

Tom Wenndt

 

Bob Adkins said: "I think there is probably a correlation between build
quality and long term reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that
little stuff falls off of when new have big stuff fall off later. "......


Hmm.

Don't get me wrong, Bob, because I am a pro-Hyundai guy. But exhibit A
arguing against your point of view is General Motors.

Since the J.D. Powers initial quality survey has begun, GM has had some cars
rate very highly, and some of their brands do awfully well. And indeed,
GM's initial build quality seems to have improved dramatically.

But the effects are yet to be seen long-term. I stopped buying GM's
because, although I was a GM guy, their vehicles would always have issues,
things I even invented a word to describe them - "GM-isms." The improvement
on initial quality seemed to just put those inevitable problems back a
little ways.

In defense of your position, even when brands like Hyundai and Kia weren't
working their way up the totem pole, I have NEVER had problems with any of
them like I did with every GM, Ford and Chrysler I ever owned, no matter
what J.D. Powers said.

Tom Wenndt

 

Bob Adkins said: "I think there is probably a correlation between build
quality and long term reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that
little stuff falls off of when new have big stuff fall off later. "......


Hmm.

Don't get me wrong, Bob, because I am a pro-Hyundai guy. But exhibit A
arguing against your point of view is General Motors.

Since the J.D. Powers initial quality survey has begun, GM has had some cars
rate very highly, and some of their brands do awfully well. And indeed,
GM's initial build quality seems to have improved dramatically.

But the effects are yet to be seen long-term. I stopped buying GM's
because, although I was a GM guy, their vehicles would always have issues,
things I even invented a word to describe them - "GM-isms." The improvement
on initial quality seemed to just put those inevitable problems back a
little ways.

In defense of your position, even when brands like Hyundai and Kia weren't
working their way up the totem pole, I have NEVER had problems with any of
them like I did with every GM, Ford and Chrysler I ever owned, no matter
what J.D. Powers said.

Tom Wenndt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:25:00 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
>>defects that we'd discussed before here.
>
>
> I think there is probably a correlation between build quality and long term
> reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that little stuff falls off
> of when new have big stuff fall off later.

Actually, I've had just the opposite experience. I've found that cars
with little problems tend to not have big problems and vice versa.

I think design has more to do with long-term durability and assembly
more to do with initial quality perception.


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:25:00 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>My Sonata has had no real assembly defects, but has several design
>>defects that we'd discussed before here.
>
>
> I think there is probably a correlation between build quality and long term
> reliability. Certainly not 1:1, but usually cars that little stuff falls off
> of when new have big stuff fall off later.

Actually, I've had just the opposite experience. I've found that cars
with little problems tend to not have big problems and vice versa.

I think design has more to do with long-term durability and assembly
more to do with initial quality perception.


Matt