Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:37:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Actually, I've had just the opposite experience. I've found that cars
>>with little problems tend to not have big problems and vice versa.
>
>
>
> Matt, why did I know you would think the opposite? :)
>
>

I don't think that. I have five new cars worth of data! :-)
To me it is the difference between design and assembly. They are two
different things and have quite different ramifications.

My 84 Accord was fairly trouble-free at first, although it did have two
recalls, but at about 60,000 miles it began to self-destruct and at
80,000 miles the top end of the engine failed (cam and all 16 rocker
arms). I traded it off at 90,000 miles for an 89 Acclaim. It is the
only car I've owned that didn't make 100,000 miles. The Acclaim wasn't
assembled as nicely as the Honda and had a few more teething problems,
but that car was the most reliable and durable car I've ever owned. It
still had the original exhaust system on it when my wife hit a deer with
it and totaled it when it was 9 years old and had 143,000 miles on it.
The Honda needed a complete exhaust system, including converter, at just
over 60,000 miles. It also needed new rotors and drums then as well as
the originals were rusted so badly they couldn't even be turned!

Same with my 86 Jeep Comanche. Had a few teething problems, but was
durable as could be after that. I ran it 9 years and sold it to my
father-in-law when I bought my 94 Chevy pickup. He ran it 10 more years
and gave it back to me right before he died two years ago. I STILL use
it for off-road work now as it is rusted too badly to pass inspection.

My Sonata has had virtually no teething problems, just like my Accord,
although it has had several "recalls" already, just like my Accord. I'm
just hoping that it doesn't fall apart at 60-80,000 miles like my
Accord! I take some comfort knowing that Chrysler had a hand in the
engine design as I've had great luck with Chrysler engines, starting
with a slant-6 in a 1976 Dodge Truck. I'm worried about the clutch and
transmission, especially the clutch. It is a bugger to start out with
the too tall first gear and too sensitive electronic throttle without
slipping the clutch a lot more than I like. However, if you don't, then
you risk stalling as I've don't way too many times.


Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:

> I'll take the thump.

You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
--
Bob

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:

> I'll take the thump.

You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
--
Bob

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:

> I'll take the thump.

You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
--
Bob

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll take the thump.
>
>
> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
have thought to say that."


> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.

That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.

Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll take the thump.
>
>
> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
have thought to say that."


> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.

That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.

Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll take the thump.
>
>
> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)

Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
have thought to say that."


> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.

That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.

Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

It was one of the "something" Marvels - I think the content was
"Assembly Lines". I will try to send another note after I check the
name when it pops up again later. It's a common series on

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:03:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll take the thump.
>>
>>
>> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)
>
>Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
>have thought to say that."
>
>
>> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
>> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
>> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
>> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
>> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
>
>That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
>find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.
>
>Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

It was one of the "something" Marvels - I think the content was
"Assembly Lines". I will try to send another note after I check the
name when it pops up again later. It's a common series on

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:03:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll take the thump.
>>
>>
>> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)
>
>Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
>have thought to say that."
>
>
>> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
>> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
>> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
>> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
>> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
>
>That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
>find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.
>
>Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

It was one of the "something" Marvels - I think the content was
"Assembly Lines". I will try to send another note after I check the
name when it pops up again later. It's a common series on

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:03:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2006 21:01:02 -0500, nothermark <nothermark@not.here> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll take the thump.
>>
>>
>> You can have it, and take mine while you're at it. :)
>
>Great comeback, Bob! As soon as I read it, I was thinking "I wish I'd
>have thought to say that."
>
>
>> No, I agree. I saw the film too. I'm impressed with the robotics, but even
>> more impressed with the people. One guy was really impressive, and I
>> thought he was a manager of some kind. The subtitle stated he was a "Team
>> Member", meaning a regular hourly worker. I like the way they all seem to be
>> focused on cars, not seeing who can screw the other.
>
>That is good to hear. Anyone know when this was aired? I'd like to
>find it and see if it is scheduled to air again sometime.
>
>Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!

Kevin

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:2%Rjg.9657$lb.857073@news1.epix.net...
> Deck wrote:
>
> > Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
> > enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!:)
> >
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!

Kevin

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:2%Rjg.9657$lb.857073@news1.epix.net...
> Deck wrote:
>
> > Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
> > enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!:)
> >
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!

Kevin

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:2%Rjg.9657$lb.857073@news1.epix.net...
> Deck wrote:
>
> > Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
> > enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!:)
> >
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?

Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.

Matt

Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
 

K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?

Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.

Matt