2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
06-18-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:33:03 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
>>
>>Thanks, Bob, I just watched it. Pretty cool!!
>>
>>Looks like the end got chopped off some, but maybe I'll catch a re-run
>>on the History channel and have my mother tape it. I live in the
>>boonies and only get 3 channels on the rabbit ears! :-)
>
>
> Not to worry, they have a lot of reruns. It's been on 3 or 4 times in the
> last week at various times of the day. It will probably be run a dozen more
> times this year.
My mother uses something like Zap2It (I'm sure that isn't right, but it
is something like that) to look up schedules for the History channel and
said this show had run twice recently, but doesn't show up again in the
future for at least the next month, so I may have to wait a while.
> I never knew that Henry Ford copied slaughter house techniques of the day.
> He simply reversed the "disassembly" lines they used in the big meat plants.
>
Yes, was it Solomon who made some little comment about nothing new under
the sun. :-)
Matt
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:33:03 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
>>
>>Thanks, Bob, I just watched it. Pretty cool!!
>>
>>Looks like the end got chopped off some, but maybe I'll catch a re-run
>>on the History channel and have my mother tape it. I live in the
>>boonies and only get 3 channels on the rabbit ears! :-)
>
>
> Not to worry, they have a lot of reruns. It's been on 3 or 4 times in the
> last week at various times of the day. It will probably be run a dozen more
> times this year.
My mother uses something like Zap2It (I'm sure that isn't right, but it
is something like that) to look up schedules for the History channel and
said this show had run twice recently, but doesn't show up again in the
future for at least the next month, so I may have to wait a while.
> I never knew that Henry Ford copied slaughter house techniques of the day.
> He simply reversed the "disassembly" lines they used in the big meat plants.
>
Yes, was it Solomon who made some little comment about nothing new under
the sun. :-)
Matt
06-18-2006, 11:30 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
here is the link....you can watch it on your computer..
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
06-18-2006, 11:30 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
here is the link....you can watch it on your computer..
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
06-18-2006, 11:30 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
here is the link....you can watch it on your computer..
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
http://www.historychannel.com/modernmarvels/?page=video
06-21-2006, 02:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
06-21-2006, 02:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
06-21-2006, 02:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
> Deck wrote:
>
>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>
>
> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I have
> no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are there
> yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't ahead of
> Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
means little to me)
Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
JS
06-21-2006, 06:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
06-21-2006, 06:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
06-21-2006, 06:20 AM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Deck wrote:
>>
>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>
>>
>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
> means little to me)
>
> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>
> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
> to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
uptick in issues in general.
Matt
06-21-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
06-21-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
06-21-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Matt Whiting wrote:
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
> JS wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Deck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they are
>>> there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they aren't
>>> ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale value'
>> means little to me)
>>
>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>
>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20 years
> or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still lead,
> eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've seen no
> uptick in issues in general.
You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
JS
06-21-2006, 05:38 PM
#104
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
06-21-2006, 05:38 PM
#105
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
