2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
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JS wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> JS wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn Matt! is this the same as "no good deed goes unpunished"...
>>>>> enjoy the moment. leave the skeptics to the honda/toyata people!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all. Hyundai's gains in product quality have been
>>>> impressive. I just think that the current rating is too much due to
>>>> bribery and not enough due (yet) to underlying product quality. I
>>>> have no doubt that Hyundai will get there, but I don't think they
>>>> are there yet. I'd place them in the top 10 probably, but they
>>>> aren't ahead of Toyota by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyota's quality has gone down since they outsourced their American
>>> production to GM facilities. Their smaller vehicles also lack value
>>> compared to practically anything else on the market - "resale value"
>>> aside (I generally don't sell still-running vehicles so 'resale
>>> value' means little to me)
>>>
>>> Its been going on since 1992ish that I know of (Geo Prism/Toyota
>>> Corolla), and its not doing any favors for Toyota.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet..
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its
>>> happened to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>>
>>
>> Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up? I've seen data
>> exactly to the contrary. The number of problems per 100 vehicles has
>> been in a steady decline for all regions of the world for last 20
>> years or so. Some of gained faster than others and the Asians still
>> lead, eith the US behind and the Europeans father behind, but I've
>> seen no uptick in issues in general.
>
>
> You completely missed the point, but thats no real surprise.
No, I caught the point precisely. You made an inaccurate claim and have
nothing to back it up.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Throwing my two cents in.... I think very highly of my new 06 Sonata.
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Throwing my two cents in.... I think very highly of my new 06 Sonata.
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Throwing my two cents in.... I think very highly of my new 06 Sonata.
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
The build quality is excellent and I love the car and I'd tell that to
J.D. Powers or anyone else who asked because it's the truth as far as I
am concerned.
Neither Hyundai nor the dealer has bribed me with anything and even if
they had thrown piles of "free oil change" coupons at me, it would not
change the build quality or how happy I am about the car.
K. Collier wrote:
> UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
> I think Nissan is the company that you are thinking is crooked!
>
> Kevin
>
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
and I believe it will continue to improve.
American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
--
Bob
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:20:38 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OTOH, I haven't been closer than 20 ft to a US-built Hyundai, yet.. I
>>wouldn't be surprised if the build quality has gone down - its happened
>>to every other foreign-gone-domestic automaker...
>
>
> I've seen older Sonatas and own a new one. The build quality has improved,
> and I believe it will continue to improve.
>
> American workers are second to none when they are unencumbered by union
> politics. You can't compare the work coming out of the northern union shops
> and the non-union shops of Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.
Yes, I agree that the biggest problem isn't the American worker it is
the American labor and management system that is broken. However,
having said that, my employer owns plants in Korea, Taiwan, Japan,
Europe and the US. And the Koreas are probably the most industrious and
have the highest attention to detail of any of the folks I've worked
with. That Japanes are very good also, but have more NIH than the
Koreas who will "adopt" (some say steal even) almost any practice that
they think will give them an advantage.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Unless you took a bribe or made a bribe, then I don't see that you have any
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Unless you took a bribe or made a bribe, then I don't see that you have any
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7FXkg.9727$lb.864940@news1.epix.net...
> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
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Re: 2006 Hyundai quality report from J D Powers
Unless you took a bribe or made a bribe, then I don't see that you have any
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7FXkg.9727$lb.864940@news1.epix.net...
> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
proof.
Care to elaborate?
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7FXkg.9727$lb.864940@news1.epix.net...
> K. Collier wrote:
> > UH, do you have any hard proof of this bribery?
>
> Yes, personal experience. Read the past posts for details.
>
> Matt
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