Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Dave Thompson" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:50:34 -0500, "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Mine does about 25 on a nice flat highway for 40 miles each direction at
>>60
>>MPH with the cruise control on, and the air conditioner off. Sticker says
>>it
>>should get about 30. Those driving conditions leave little in the way of
>>variables that the driver could affect.
>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>
>
>
> Thanks...you all have just about convinced me that I should NOT by
> buying a Sonata...at least this year. Maybe next year if some of
> these 'problems' get worked out.
>
> Thanks again. Now back to shopping....
Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Darby OGill wrote:

> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
> and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
> fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
> sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
> course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".

Excellent heater/AC? Where do you live? I've not yet used the AC as it
has been winter since I bought my Sonata, but the heater/defroster
leaves a lot to be desired compared to the other vehicles I have owned
in the last 20 years. The floor vents don't get full air on the floor
position as some is always bled to the defrost vents (I thought that is
what the bi-level setting was for!). And what does go to the floor,
hits me closer to the knee than the feet and extremities are what get
cold first.

The defrost has a hard time keeping the fog off the top 1/3 of the
windshield if I have more than just me in the car. With 4-5 in the car,
it takes fan speed 3 to even think of keeping the windshield clear in
cold, damp weather. And yesterday (8 F), the rear window defroster
could only get about half of the glass clear after 25 minutes of
driving! The lines that were clear were about equal width to those that
still had frost on them.

I'm hoping the AC works better than the heat/defog/defrost.


Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Darby OGill wrote:

> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
> and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
> fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
> sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
> course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".

Excellent heater/AC? Where do you live? I've not yet used the AC as it
has been winter since I bought my Sonata, but the heater/defroster
leaves a lot to be desired compared to the other vehicles I have owned
in the last 20 years. The floor vents don't get full air on the floor
position as some is always bled to the defrost vents (I thought that is
what the bi-level setting was for!). And what does go to the floor,
hits me closer to the knee than the feet and extremities are what get
cold first.

The defrost has a hard time keeping the fog off the top 1/3 of the
windshield if I have more than just me in the car. With 4-5 in the car,
it takes fan speed 3 to even think of keeping the windshield clear in
cold, damp weather. And yesterday (8 F), the rear window defroster
could only get about half of the glass clear after 25 minutes of
driving! The lines that were clear were about equal width to those that
still had frost on them.

I'm hoping the AC works better than the heat/defog/defrost.


Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Darby OGill wrote:

> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
> and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
> fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
> sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
> course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".

Excellent heater/AC? Where do you live? I've not yet used the AC as it
has been winter since I bought my Sonata, but the heater/defroster
leaves a lot to be desired compared to the other vehicles I have owned
in the last 20 years. The floor vents don't get full air on the floor
position as some is always bled to the defrost vents (I thought that is
what the bi-level setting was for!). And what does go to the floor,
hits me closer to the knee than the feet and extremities are what get
cold first.

The defrost has a hard time keeping the fog off the top 1/3 of the
windshield if I have more than just me in the car. With 4-5 in the car,
it takes fan speed 3 to even think of keeping the windshield clear in
cold, damp weather. And yesterday (8 F), the rear window defroster
could only get about half of the glass clear after 25 minutes of
driving! The lines that were clear were about equal width to those that
still had frost on them.

I'm hoping the AC works better than the heat/defog/defrost.


Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:07:44 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>marcnew@execpc.com wrote:
>
>> I have an LX, but only have 600 miles on it. The initial quality has
>> been very good with the my only complaint being noise coming from the
>> rear suspension. The car has been amazingly quiet. I've heard
>> various complaints about the gas mileage and I think that after the
>> car is broken in I should be able to get pretty close to the 30 mpg
>> highway on the sticker. Had the car out for the first time yesterday
>> on the road (some interstate, some heavy traffic (Chicago), and some
>> US highway with stops and slowdowns for towns, and got just under
>> 28MPG doing 60-70 on the open portions.
>
>That is a lot different than the overall average for a full tank, however.
>
>
>Matt
This portion was for 234 miles. An additional 104 miles was commuting
over a 2 day period. Stop and go driving with numerous stop lights
and signs and average speed of about 25 MPH (26 miles each way and it
takes me about 55 minutes on a good day. Mileage was at 27.1
combined. I consider this a pretty good mix.

Marc

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:07:44 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>marcnew@execpc.com wrote:
>
>> I have an LX, but only have 600 miles on it. The initial quality has
>> been very good with the my only complaint being noise coming from the
>> rear suspension. The car has been amazingly quiet. I've heard
>> various complaints about the gas mileage and I think that after the
>> car is broken in I should be able to get pretty close to the 30 mpg
>> highway on the sticker. Had the car out for the first time yesterday
>> on the road (some interstate, some heavy traffic (Chicago), and some
>> US highway with stops and slowdowns for towns, and got just under
>> 28MPG doing 60-70 on the open portions.
>
>That is a lot different than the overall average for a full tank, however.
>
>
>Matt
This portion was for 234 miles. An additional 104 miles was commuting
over a 2 day period. Stop and go driving with numerous stop lights
and signs and average speed of about 25 MPH (26 miles each way and it
takes me about 55 minutes on a good day. Mileage was at 27.1
combined. I consider this a pretty good mix.

Marc

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:07:44 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>marcnew@execpc.com wrote:
>
>> I have an LX, but only have 600 miles on it. The initial quality has
>> been very good with the my only complaint being noise coming from the
>> rear suspension. The car has been amazingly quiet. I've heard
>> various complaints about the gas mileage and I think that after the
>> car is broken in I should be able to get pretty close to the 30 mpg
>> highway on the sticker. Had the car out for the first time yesterday
>> on the road (some interstate, some heavy traffic (Chicago), and some
>> US highway with stops and slowdowns for towns, and got just under
>> 28MPG doing 60-70 on the open portions.
>
>That is a lot different than the overall average for a full tank, however.
>
>
>Matt
This portion was for 234 miles. An additional 104 miles was commuting
over a 2 day period. Stop and go driving with numerous stop lights
and signs and average speed of about 25 MPH (26 miles each way and it
takes me about 55 minutes on a good day. Mileage was at 27.1
combined. I consider this a pretty good mix.

Marc

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
wrote:


> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>

Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),

If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
probably be fixed, even during a production run.

Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
pedalling.

Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
wrote:


> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>

Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),

If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
probably be fixed, even during a production run.

Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
pedalling.

Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
wrote:


> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good fit
>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>

Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),

If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
probably be fixed, even during a production run.

Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
pedalling.

Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Dave Thompson" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u17v0212aemoe2c6q7vjvcpvo7ld3m1lqa@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good
>> fit
>>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>>
>
> Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),
>
> If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
> review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
> several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
> response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
> misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
> the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
> probably be fixed, even during a production run.
>
> Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
> you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
> and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
> pedalling.
>
> Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Dave, Dave,Dave....If you read my post, would would understand that after
OWNING and DRIVING the car for 8000 miles (not rumor or net chatter) that
my experience has been trouble free regarding defects and impressive in
terms of performance. As far as heater/ac that Matt finds lacking in his
car, I find mine works great-excellent controls and functionality. (Yes, its
winter here in New England too.) Bilevel has always been part dash vent,
part floor vent to my knowledge, and I, for one don't mind a bit of air on
the WS in that config.....As far as suspension noise, I don't have that
problem, nor the sloshing problem. ..As far as the curt comment on the
Sprint....I don't understand where you are going with that. The Sprint was
damn good at it's intended purpose-maximizing MPG.(I drove mine 150k miles)
....The intended purpose of the sonata is somewhat different, don't you
think?

I think the Bob Adkins comment is right on, BTW.....lot of 10 percenters out
here.

I'm not saying the Sonata is without peer, just that it is a sound car with
a sweet engine and worth what I paid for it IMO. Just my .02$, not trying to
dis' anyone. When you are really ready to buy a car, I would suggest test
driving the Sonata and see if you hear sloshing and suspension noise.

PS I gave the car an 8 overall on the JDP survey-hey, it isn't a Bentley or
Aston-Martin.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Dave Thompson" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u17v0212aemoe2c6q7vjvcpvo7ld3m1lqa@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good
>> fit
>>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>>
>
> Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),
>
> If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
> review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
> several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
> response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
> misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
> the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
> probably be fixed, even during a production run.
>
> Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
> you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
> and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
> pedalling.
>
> Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Dave, Dave,Dave....If you read my post, would would understand that after
OWNING and DRIVING the car for 8000 miles (not rumor or net chatter) that
my experience has been trouble free regarding defects and impressive in
terms of performance. As far as heater/ac that Matt finds lacking in his
car, I find mine works great-excellent controls and functionality. (Yes, its
winter here in New England too.) Bilevel has always been part dash vent,
part floor vent to my knowledge, and I, for one don't mind a bit of air on
the WS in that config.....As far as suspension noise, I don't have that
problem, nor the sloshing problem. ..As far as the curt comment on the
Sprint....I don't understand where you are going with that. The Sprint was
damn good at it's intended purpose-maximizing MPG.(I drove mine 150k miles)
....The intended purpose of the sonata is somewhat different, don't you
think?

I think the Bob Adkins comment is right on, BTW.....lot of 10 percenters out
here.

I'm not saying the Sonata is without peer, just that it is a sound car with
a sweet engine and worth what I paid for it IMO. Just my .02$, not trying to
dis' anyone. When you are really ready to buy a car, I would suggest test
driving the Sonata and see if you hear sloshing and suspension noise.

PS I gave the car an 8 overall on the JDP survey-hey, it isn't a Bentley or
Aston-Martin.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Dave Thompson" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u17v0212aemoe2c6q7vjvcpvo7ld3m1lqa@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:16:32 GMT, "Darby OGill" <barkbark@woof.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Dave T, whats up? The car is beautiful, quiet, fast, nice riding, good
>> fit
>>and finish, excellent stereo, excellent heater/ac,safe, and did I mention
>>fast? If its gas milage alone you want, look for a 1987 chevy
>>sprint(suzuki) 3 cylinder. My little bugger got over 50 mpg at 55mph. Of
>>course it weighed 1500 lbs and had a wheelbase around 80 ".
>>
>
> Darby, Darby, Darby (sigh),
>
> If you really read my post, it didn't sink in at all. If you'll
> review the comments being made for the past few months, you will see
> several recurrent themes: noise from the rear suspension, throttle
> response dead spots or however you want to look at that one,
> misdirected heater vents on the driver's side, and sloshing noise from
> the gas tank. All of these are apparently design problems that could
> probably be fixed, even during a production run.
>
> Also, I never said anything about gas mileage. However, the fact that
> you owned a three-cylinder Chevy indicates your basis for comparison
> and favoritism for any vehicle that doesn't require assitive
> pedalling.
>
> Enjoy yours, I'll wait for the finer tuned model.

Dave, Dave,Dave....If you read my post, would would understand that after
OWNING and DRIVING the car for 8000 miles (not rumor or net chatter) that
my experience has been trouble free regarding defects and impressive in
terms of performance. As far as heater/ac that Matt finds lacking in his
car, I find mine works great-excellent controls and functionality. (Yes, its
winter here in New England too.) Bilevel has always been part dash vent,
part floor vent to my knowledge, and I, for one don't mind a bit of air on
the WS in that config.....As far as suspension noise, I don't have that
problem, nor the sloshing problem. ..As far as the curt comment on the
Sprint....I don't understand where you are going with that. The Sprint was
damn good at it's intended purpose-maximizing MPG.(I drove mine 150k miles)
....The intended purpose of the sonata is somewhat different, don't you
think?

I think the Bob Adkins comment is right on, BTW.....lot of 10 percenters out
here.

I'm not saying the Sonata is without peer, just that it is a sound car with
a sweet engine and worth what I paid for it IMO. Just my .02$, not trying to
dis' anyone. When you are really ready to buy a car, I would suggest test
driving the Sonata and see if you hear sloshing and suspension noise.

PS I gave the car an 8 overall on the JDP survey-hey, it isn't a Bentley or
Aston-Martin.

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Darby OGill wrote:

> Dave, Dave,Dave....If you read my post, would would understand that after
> OWNING and DRIVING the car for 8000 miles (not rumor or net chatter) that
> my experience has been trouble free regarding defects and impressive in
> terms of performance. As far as heater/ac that Matt finds lacking in his
> car, I find mine works great-excellent controls and functionality. (Yes, its
> winter here in New England too.) Bilevel has always been part dash vent,
> part floor vent to my knowledge, and I, for one don't mind a bit of air on
> the WS in that config.....As far as suspension noise, I don't have that
> problem, nor the sloshing problem. ..As far as the curt comment on the
> Sprint....I don't understand where you are going with that. The Sprint was
> damn good at it's intended purpose-maximizing MPG.(I drove mine 150k miles)
> ...The intended purpose of the sonata is somewhat different, don't you
> think?

Yes, in bi-level the flow should be directed to both the dash and floor
vents. My beef is that in the Hyundai, the FLOOR setting directs air to
all three vents (floor, dash and defrost)!!! I'd rather the controls do
what they say and have the floor send air to the floor, bi-level to both
floor and dash, and defrost to defrost only.

If you haven't heard the sloshing in the tank, then you must have poor
hearing as EVERY Sonata does this as NONE have baffles in the tank.


> I think the Bob Adkins comment is right on, BTW.....lot of 10 percenters out
> here.
>
> I'm not saying the Sonata is without peer, just that it is a sound car with
> a sweet engine and worth what I paid for it IMO. Just my .02$, not trying to
> dis' anyone. When you are really ready to buy a car, I would suggest test
> driving the Sonata and see if you hear sloshing and suspension noise.

I'm not saying the Sonata wasn't worth the money either. I think it
was. I'm just glad I didn't pay more than $16K for mine! :-) It
definitely isn't worth the 22K I'd have paid for a Camry.


> PS I gave the car an 8 overall on the JDP survey-hey, it isn't a Bentley or
> Aston-Martin.

I gave it an 8 overall as well, but I dinged it on several items that
need attention. The sad part is that with VERY little work, Hyundai
could make it a 10 for me.


Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Darby OGill wrote:

> Dave, Dave,Dave....If you read my post, would would understand that after
> OWNING and DRIVING the car for 8000 miles (not rumor or net chatter) that
> my experience has been trouble free regarding defects and impressive in
> terms of performance. As far as heater/ac that Matt finds lacking in his
> car, I find mine works great-excellent controls and functionality. (Yes, its
> winter here in New England too.) Bilevel has always been part dash vent,
> part floor vent to my knowledge, and I, for one don't mind a bit of air on
> the WS in that config.....As far as suspension noise, I don't have that
> problem, nor the sloshing problem. ..As far as the curt comment on the
> Sprint....I don't understand where you are going with that. The Sprint was
> damn good at it's intended purpose-maximizing MPG.(I drove mine 150k miles)
> ...The intended purpose of the sonata is somewhat different, don't you
> think?

Yes, in bi-level the flow should be directed to both the dash and floor
vents. My beef is that in the Hyundai, the FLOOR setting directs air to
all three vents (floor, dash and defrost)!!! I'd rather the controls do
what they say and have the floor send air to the floor, bi-level to both
floor and dash, and defrost to defrost only.

If you haven't heard the sloshing in the tank, then you must have poor
hearing as EVERY Sonata does this as NONE have baffles in the tank.


> I think the Bob Adkins comment is right on, BTW.....lot of 10 percenters out
> here.
>
> I'm not saying the Sonata is without peer, just that it is a sound car with
> a sweet engine and worth what I paid for it IMO. Just my .02$, not trying to
> dis' anyone. When you are really ready to buy a car, I would suggest test
> driving the Sonata and see if you hear sloshing and suspension noise.

I'm not saying the Sonata wasn't worth the money either. I think it
was. I'm just glad I didn't pay more than $16K for mine! :-) It
definitely isn't worth the 22K I'd have paid for a Camry.


> PS I gave the car an 8 overall on the JDP survey-hey, it isn't a Bentley or
> Aston-Martin.

I gave it an 8 overall as well, but I dinged it on several items that
need attention. The sad part is that with VERY little work, Hyundai
could make it a 10 for me.


Matt