Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which >ones may have been corrected. Matt, The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the cause?) I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :) Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect. There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response at any speed. Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on. There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph. What did I miss? -- Bob |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >3600 now). I'm hoping at least! Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. -- Bob |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >3600 now). I'm hoping at least! Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. -- Bob |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >3600 now). I'm hoping at least! Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. -- Bob |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net... > > My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger > Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However, > Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard. > The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a > smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in > highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many > times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as good. > > Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal. The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net... > > My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger > Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However, > Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard. > The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a > smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in > highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many > times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as good. > > Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal. The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net... > > My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger > Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However, > Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard. > The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a > smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in > highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many > times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as good. > > Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal. The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >>3600 now). I'm hoping at least! > > > Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so > lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former > 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17 with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan. > All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never > finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+ with the AC on and everything in between. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >>3600 now). I'm hoping at least! > > > Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so > lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former > 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17 with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan. > All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never > finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+ with the AC on and everything in between. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say >>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage >>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80% >>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have >>3600 now). I'm hoping at least! > > > Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so > lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former > 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day. I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17 with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan. > All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never > finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation. Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+ with the AC on and everything in between. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which >>ones may have been corrected. > > > Matt, > > The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk > area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the > undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go > up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the > cause?) I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on occasion. > I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I > suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the > car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :) > Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect. Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly. > There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response > at any speed. I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with aviation terminology. > Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on. With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it, actually in the lower third. > There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's > absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph. Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters. > What did I miss? The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store. The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a water bottle. My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30 years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which >>ones may have been corrected. > > > Matt, > > The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk > area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the > undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go > up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the > cause?) I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on occasion. > I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I > suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the > car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :) > Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect. Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly. > There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response > at any speed. I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with aviation terminology. > Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on. With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it, actually in the lower third. > There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's > absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph. Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters. > What did I miss? The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store. The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a water bottle. My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30 years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote: > > > >>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which >>ones may have been corrected. > > > Matt, > > The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk > area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the > undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go > up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the > cause?) I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on occasion. > I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I > suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the > car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :) > Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect. Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly. > There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response > at any speed. I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with aviation terminology. > Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on. With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it, actually in the lower third. > There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's > absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph. Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters. > What did I miss? The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store. The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a water bottle. My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30 years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net... > > >>My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger >>Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However, >>Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard. >> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a >>smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in >>highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many >>times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as > > good. > >> > > Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've > had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal. > The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find > mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power. > It was a Park Avenue that I rented to drive from Corning to Boston a few years ago. I was driving 75-80 most of the way and that beast got 31 MPG. I thought it had to be a mistake, but the fill-up matched the computer within a few tenths and I duplicated the performance almost exactly on the way home a few days later. Amazing for a car that size at that speed. I still almost don't believe it. Matt |
Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net... > > >>My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger >>Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However, >>Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard. >> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a >>smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in >>highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many >>times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as > > good. > >> > > Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've > had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal. > The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find > mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power. > It was a Park Avenue that I rented to drive from Corning to Boston a few years ago. I was driving 75-80 most of the way and that beast got 31 MPG. I thought it had to be a mistake, but the fill-up matched the computer within a few tenths and I duplicated the performance almost exactly on the way home a few days later. Amazing for a car that size at that speed. I still almost don't believe it. Matt |
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