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Bob Adkins 03-10-2006 04:57 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which
>ones may have been corrected.


Matt,

The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk
area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the
undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go
up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the
cause?)

I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I
suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the
car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :)
Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect.

There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response
at any speed.

Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on.

There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's
absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph.

What did I miss?
--
Bob

Bob Adkins 03-10-2006 05:06 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!


Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.

All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.
--
Bob

Bob Adkins 03-10-2006 05:06 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!


Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.

All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.
--
Bob

Bob Adkins 03-10-2006 05:06 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!


Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.

All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.
--
Bob

Mike Marlow 03-10-2006 09:56 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net...

>
> My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger
> Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However,
> Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard.
> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a
> smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in
> highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many
> times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as

good.
>
>


Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've
had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal.
The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find
mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net



Mike Marlow 03-10-2006 09:56 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net...

>
> My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger
> Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However,
> Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard.
> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a
> smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in
> highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many
> times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as

good.
>
>


Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've
had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal.
The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find
mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net



Mike Marlow 03-10-2006 09:56 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net...

>
> My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger
> Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However,
> Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard.
> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a
> smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in
> highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many
> times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as

good.
>
>


Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've
had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal.
The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find
mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net



Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:38 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!

>
>
> Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
> lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
> 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.


I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17
with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan.


> All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
> finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.


Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter
when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+
with the AC on and everything in between.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:38 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!

>
>
> Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
> lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
> 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.


I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17
with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan.


> All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
> finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.


Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter
when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+
with the AC on and everything in between.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:38 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:26:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>My 4 cylinder is returning only 27.5 or so in similar driving (I'd say
>>maybe 70% highway rather than 80%) and I consider this abysmal mileage
>>given the 24/34 EPA rating. I expected at least 30 MPG in 70-80%
>>highway driving. Maybe in warmer weather and with more miles (I have
>>3600 now). I'm hoping at least!

>
>
> Man, all these wonderful MPG figures make me wonder. I've never been so
> lucky (or is it so optimistic?) My 4cyl Toyota Pickup gets ~18, my former
> 4cyl Mazda 626 got 24 on a good day.


I'm assuming you aren't driving 70-80% in highway mode. I get 16-17
with my K1500 extended cab pickup and 22-23 with my Chrysler minivan.


> All figures are with A/C running. It's always so warm down here that I never
> finish burning a tank of gas without a good bit of A/C operation.


Mine are year-round averages that include slightly lower in the winter
when it is below freezing (often below zero) and summer when it is 90+
with the AC on and everything in between.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:49 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which
>>ones may have been corrected.

>
>
> Matt,
>
> The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk
> area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the
> undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go
> up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the
> cause?)


I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on
occasion.


> I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I
> suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the
> car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :)
> Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect.


Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours
is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife
doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly.


> There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response
> at any speed.


I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to
my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across
bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at
times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with
aviation terminology.


> Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on.


With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper
half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with
the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it,
actually in the lower third.


> There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's
> absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph.


Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a
whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp
nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters.


> What did I miss?


The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot
well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts
are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get
my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side
buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling
bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies
that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store.
The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook
that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin
is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard
size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup
holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a
water bottle.

My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes
driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who
really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30
years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a
standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the
original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This
throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes
starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:49 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which
>>ones may have been corrected.

>
>
> Matt,
>
> The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk
> area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the
> undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go
> up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the
> cause?)


I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on
occasion.


> I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I
> suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the
> car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :)
> Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect.


Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours
is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife
doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly.


> There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response
> at any speed.


I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to
my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across
bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at
times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with
aviation terminology.


> Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on.


With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper
half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with
the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it,
actually in the lower third.


> There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's
> absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph.


Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a
whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp
nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters.


> What did I miss?


The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot
well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts
are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get
my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side
buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling
bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies
that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store.
The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook
that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin
is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard
size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup
holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a
water bottle.

My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes
driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who
really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30
years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a
standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the
original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This
throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes
starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:49 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:22:16 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Which have you and have you not experienced? I'm curious as to which
>>ones may have been corrected.

>
>
> Matt,
>
> The only problem I have experienced is the thunking sound from the trunk
> area. The sound reminds me of a loose exhaust pipe rebounding against the
> undercarriage. The noise does not happen when the rear wheels suddenly go
> up, but when they go back down. (Should that tell us something about the
> cause?)


I don't have the suspension sound all that often, but have heard it on
occasion.


> I have never heard the fuel sloshing, but I suspect it is there. Why do I
> suspect that? I was vigorously waxing the trunk lid last weekend, and the
> car was bouncing up and down. I could easily hear the fuel sloshing. :)
> Maybe it's my hearing. Its generally good, but admittedly not perfect.


Well, hearing tends to go bad in certain frequency ranges so maybe yours
is just weaker in the range that the tank sloshing sound makes. My wife
doesn't hear the noise much either, but I hear it very distinctly.


> There is no perceptible "flat spot" or hesitation in the throttle response
> at any speed.


I haven't noticed that either. Mine is just ultrasensitive compared to
my other vehicles and the throttle effort is too low. Going across
bumps in the road will jiggle my foot enough to get a PIO going at
times. PIO = pilot induced oscillation for those not familiar with
aviation terminology.


> Gas mileage is great at 26.1, and trip computer MPG accuracy is spot on.


With the V-6, I wouldn't feel too bad about that as that is in the upper
half of the EPA 20-30 range. However, I only get slightly better with
the 4-banger and am in the lower half of the 24-34 range for it,
actually in the lower third.


> There is no tire or driveline noise or vibration at any speed. It's
> absolutely jet-smooth from 0-80mph.


Pretty much the same for me as well. The only noise is wind noise and a
whistle from the hood deflector that I installed to protect the sharp
nose of the hood from stone damage in our winters.


> What did I miss?


The main things for me are the poor HVAC heat distribution to the foot
well area and poor defogging with a car load of people. The seat belts
are also too close to the side of the car making it hard for me to get
my fat fingers in between to grab the belt. And the passenger side
buckle will bang against the side of the car if I go across rolling
bumps that rock the car side to side. The lack of good storage cubbies
that seem to be just a little too small for everything I want to store.
The dash cubby is too narrow for a standard-size 4x6 spiral notebook
that I use to log my gas purchases and maintenance and the console bin
is also too small for this notebook and also too small for the standard
size square tissue boxes that I carry in my vehicles. And the cup
holder rubber insert isn't robust enough to hold a small drink such as a
water bottle.

My single biggest complaint though is the electronic throttle. It makes
driving the stick shift almost more work than fun and I'm a person who
really likes to drive stick shift and have avoided automatics for 30
years. This is the only vehicle I've owned where i regretted getting a
standard shift tranny. And I've driven everything from VW Beetles (the
original Beetle with almost no power) up to tractor trailers. This
throttle is too light, too touchy, and has a slight lag that makes
starting out and shifting smoothly a real high concentration activity.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:51 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Mike Marlow wrote:

> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger
>>Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However,
>>Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard.
>> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a
>>smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in
>>highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many
>>times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as

>
> good.
>
>>

>
> Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've
> had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal.
> The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find
> mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.
>


It was a Park Avenue that I rented to drive from Corning to Boston a few
years ago. I was driving 75-80 most of the way and that beast got 31
MPG. I thought it had to be a mistake, but the fill-up matched the
computer within a few tenths and I duplicated the performance almost
exactly on the way home a few days later. Amazing for a car that size
at that speed. I still almost don't believe it.


Matt

Matt Whiting 03-10-2006 10:51 PM

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 
Mike Marlow wrote:

> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:nrmQf.7121$lb.619752@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>My in-laws have owned two Centuries and I've driven a couple of larger
>>Buick rental cars, and this has been my experience as well. However,
>>Chryslers, Fords and other makes seldom seem to match GM in this regard.
>> The Camry and Accord will yield similar mileage, but only with both a
>>smaller car and small engine. The Buicks are really impressive in
>>highway mileage. I'm not sure how GM does it, but I've seen in many
>>times in Buicks. My experience, however, with Chevy's isn't quite as

>
> good.
>
>>

>
> Most of my experiences were with Buicks as well. I'm a Buick guy. We've
> had Park Aves, and a Regal. All of them I've loved, especially the Regal.
> The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does find
> mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.
>


It was a Park Avenue that I rented to drive from Corning to Boston a few
years ago. I was driving 75-80 most of the way and that beast got 31
MPG. I thought it had to be a mistake, but the fill-up matched the
computer within a few tenths and I duplicated the performance almost
exactly on the way home a few days later. Amazing for a car that size
at that speed. I still almost don't believe it.


Matt


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