2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
07-31-2006, 04:08 PM
#46
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Mr. Hyundaitech, this just begs a question.
It was through the owner's (or service) manual of car after car I have owned
that I learned how badly oil filters and oil drain plugs were being
overtightened.
If the manufacturers set the tightening specs, why do they not adhere to
them? Indeed, every new vehicle I have ever owned has had both tightened
plug and filter even tighter then they are left after a fast oil change -
and that's saying something.
In my world, either the specs mean something or they don't. What am I
missing here?
Tom Wenndt
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> You'll notice your new oil filters have a clear plastic covering over one
> end. More freqently, I encounter the gasket sticking to the plastic, so
> when you take it off, make sure the gasket is still positioned properly
> before installing the filter on the car.
>
It was through the owner's (or service) manual of car after car I have owned
that I learned how badly oil filters and oil drain plugs were being
overtightened.
If the manufacturers set the tightening specs, why do they not adhere to
them? Indeed, every new vehicle I have ever owned has had both tightened
plug and filter even tighter then they are left after a fast oil change -
and that's saying something.
In my world, either the specs mean something or they don't. What am I
missing here?
Tom Wenndt
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:fecd3298f3dfb59f00da6014d607d127@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> You'll notice your new oil filters have a clear plastic covering over one
> end. More freqently, I encounter the gasket sticking to the plastic, so
> when you take it off, make sure the gasket is still positioned properly
> before installing the filter on the car.
>
07-31-2006, 05:22 PM
#47
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Sadly, I don't think you're missing anything. Most likely, the
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
07-31-2006, 05:22 PM
#48
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Sadly, I don't think you're missing anything. Most likely, the
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
07-31-2006, 05:22 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Sadly, I don't think you're missing anything. Most likely, the
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
manufacturer has more important places to concentrate their resources
unless this constant overtightening actually results in physical problems.
You'd think that with computerized robotic assembly plants, they'd be able
to control something like this very well. What's worse is that you're
right. The factory will put the oil filter on tighter than some monkey
who thinks he needs to put it on as tight as he can with a wrench so it
cannot come off.
07-31-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
07-31-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
07-31-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
> Considering that you're the only person who has reported this here or on
> any of the forums, it's probably an isolated incident. Did you remember
> to oil the seal before you installed the filter?
Absolutely. I'm hoping it is an isolated incident also. Time will tell.
Matt
07-31-2006, 05:49 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
hyundaitech wrote:
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
07-31-2006, 05:49 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
hyundaitech wrote:
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
07-31-2006, 05:49 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
hyundaitech wrote:
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its gasket
> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
> installed (originals are rather tight).
In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000
miles. The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket
behind. It is the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
Matt
08-01-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
08-01-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qVuzg.132$Db4.13993@news1.epix.net...
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qVuzg.132$Db4.13993@news1.epix.net...
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
08-01-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qVuzg.132$Db4.13993@news1.epix.net...
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
driving......
darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qVuzg.132$Db4.13993@news1.epix.net...
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> It's been my experience that the original factory filter leaves its
>> gasket
>> with a much higher frequencey than any installed later. I suspect it has
>> something to do with surface preparation and how tightly the filter is
>> installed (originals are rather tight).
>
> In my case it was the third filter that lost its gasket. The original
> filter came off at 2,500 miles and the second one came off at 5,000 miles.
> The third one came off at 10,000 miles, but left its gasket behind. It is
> the first filter than I have run for 5,000 miles.
>
>
> Matt
08-01-2006, 09:16 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Darby OGill wrote:
> Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
> sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
> giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
> miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
> been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
> I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
> important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
> that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
> driving......
Yes, those annoyances remain, but nothing much can be done about them so
I don't spend much time thinking about them. I did drive my truck to
work today as temps near 100 were forecast (and were realized!) with
fairly high humidity. I didn't make it too work in the truck with the
fan on low before I had to turn the temp up. That isn't a problem in
the Sonata. I leave it on full cold and at least the second fan speed
all the time when the temps are above 80. Looks like another scorcher
tomorrow so I'll drive the truck again. I hate getting 16 MPG rather
than 29, but I like being cool!
Yes, the mileage has been decent, but remember I have the 4 cylinder/5
speed so it certainly isn't outstanding. The only real disappointment
was that the one trip I took in the car didn't really increase the
mileage much at all. I got 32 on one tank and 31 on the other, which is
only slightly above what it averages commuting to work each day.
> darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
> Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
Yes, I agree! I've visited many places in the USA and the world, and
found few that I think compare. I like southern Vermont and northern NH
and parts of Colorado, and would proably like Austria, Switzerland and
northern Italy (but I haven't been to any of them yet), but I still like
PA as good as anywhere I've been.
I do like it better though when it isn't 100 out...
Matt
> Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
> sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
> giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
> miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
> been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
> I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
> important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
> that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
> driving......
Yes, those annoyances remain, but nothing much can be done about them so
I don't spend much time thinking about them. I did drive my truck to
work today as temps near 100 were forecast (and were realized!) with
fairly high humidity. I didn't make it too work in the truck with the
fan on low before I had to turn the temp up. That isn't a problem in
the Sonata. I leave it on full cold and at least the second fan speed
all the time when the temps are above 80. Looks like another scorcher
tomorrow so I'll drive the truck again. I hate getting 16 MPG rather
than 29, but I like being cool!
Yes, the mileage has been decent, but remember I have the 4 cylinder/5
speed so it certainly isn't outstanding. The only real disappointment
was that the one trip I took in the car didn't really increase the
mileage much at all. I got 32 on one tank and 31 on the other, which is
only slightly above what it averages commuting to work each day.
> darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
> Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
Yes, I agree! I've visited many places in the USA and the world, and
found few that I think compare. I like southern Vermont and northern NH
and parts of Colorado, and would proably like Austria, Switzerland and
northern Italy (but I haven't been to any of them yet), but I still like
PA as good as anywhere I've been.
I do like it better though when it isn't 100 out...
Matt
08-01-2006, 09:16 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Darby OGill wrote:
> Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
> sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
> giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
> miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
> been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
> I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
> important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
> that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
> driving......
Yes, those annoyances remain, but nothing much can be done about them so
I don't spend much time thinking about them. I did drive my truck to
work today as temps near 100 were forecast (and were realized!) with
fairly high humidity. I didn't make it too work in the truck with the
fan on low before I had to turn the temp up. That isn't a problem in
the Sonata. I leave it on full cold and at least the second fan speed
all the time when the temps are above 80. Looks like another scorcher
tomorrow so I'll drive the truck again. I hate getting 16 MPG rather
than 29, but I like being cool!
Yes, the mileage has been decent, but remember I have the 4 cylinder/5
speed so it certainly isn't outstanding. The only real disappointment
was that the one trip I took in the car didn't really increase the
mileage much at all. I got 32 on one tank and 31 on the other, which is
only slightly above what it averages commuting to work each day.
> darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
> Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
Yes, I agree! I've visited many places in the USA and the world, and
found few that I think compare. I like southern Vermont and northern NH
and parts of Colorado, and would proably like Austria, Switzerland and
northern Italy (but I haven't been to any of them yet), but I still like
PA as good as anywhere I've been.
I do like it better though when it isn't 100 out...
Matt
> Matt, glad to see you made it to 10k with the clunk in the rear and the
> sloshing gas, poor AC and the...I'm forgetting something!.........jsut
> giving you a hard time, its HOT here. I have Michelin Pilots with 23,000
> miles and they look great(2 rotations thus far). The oil filter gasket has
> been something that can be problematic-has been so for years on any brand as
> I'm sure you know-that why crafstmanship in the simplest of functions is
> important-Dis not the grease monkey.....nice mpg for you, I can't manage
> that on average with my 6, but can approach your number with careful highway
> driving......
Yes, those annoyances remain, but nothing much can be done about them so
I don't spend much time thinking about them. I did drive my truck to
work today as temps near 100 were forecast (and were realized!) with
fairly high humidity. I didn't make it too work in the truck with the
fan on low before I had to turn the temp up. That isn't a problem in
the Sonata. I leave it on full cold and at least the second fan speed
all the time when the temps are above 80. Looks like another scorcher
tomorrow so I'll drive the truck again. I hate getting 16 MPG rather
than 29, but I like being cool!
Yes, the mileage has been decent, but remember I have the 4 cylinder/5
speed so it certainly isn't outstanding. The only real disappointment
was that the one trip I took in the car didn't really increase the
mileage much at all. I got 32 on one tank and 31 on the other, which is
only slightly above what it averages commuting to work each day.
> darby '06 sonata v6 23k miles....no problems what so ever thus far.
> Cheers...PS Penn is a beautiful state, drove thru it last summer.
Yes, I agree! I've visited many places in the USA and the world, and
found few that I think compare. I like southern Vermont and northern NH
and parts of Colorado, and would proably like Austria, Switzerland and
northern Italy (but I haven't been to any of them yet), but I still like
PA as good as anywhere I've been.
I do like it better though when it isn't 100 out...
Matt
