"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
> > Although I'm sure piston manufacture is outsourced, it's also the case
that
> > Hyundai specifies what they want. While I too am not very concerned
about
> > this particular issue, as this is the only case I've ever heard about a
> > cracked piston, Hyundai does not necessarily remain blameless on this
> > particular owner's piston issue.
>
> True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
> Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
> affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
> isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
> a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
> manufacturer of the piston.
>

Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if their
supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need only
look to Hyundai.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
>
>>hyundaitech wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Although I'm sure piston manufacture is outsourced, it's also the case
>
> that
>
>>>Hyundai specifies what they want. While I too am not very concerned
>
> about
>
>>>this particular issue, as this is the only case I've ever heard about a
>>>cracked piston, Hyundai does not necessarily remain blameless on this
>>>particular owner's piston issue.
>>
>>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
>>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
>>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
>>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
>>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
>>manufacturer of the piston.
>>
>
>
> Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if their
> supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need only
> look to Hyundai.
>

You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
failure, would simply not be logical.


Matt

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
>
>>hyundaitech wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Although I'm sure piston manufacture is outsourced, it's also the case
>
> that
>
>>>Hyundai specifies what they want. While I too am not very concerned
>
> about
>
>>>this particular issue, as this is the only case I've ever heard about a
>>>cracked piston, Hyundai does not necessarily remain blameless on this
>>>particular owner's piston issue.
>>
>>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
>>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
>>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
>>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
>>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
>>manufacturer of the piston.
>>
>
>
> Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if their
> supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need only
> look to Hyundai.
>

You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
failure, would simply not be logical.


Matt

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
>
>>hyundaitech wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Although I'm sure piston manufacture is outsourced, it's also the case
>
> that
>
>>>Hyundai specifies what they want. While I too am not very concerned
>
> about
>
>>>this particular issue, as this is the only case I've ever heard about a
>>>cracked piston, Hyundai does not necessarily remain blameless on this
>>>particular owner's piston issue.
>>
>>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
>>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
>>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
>>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
>>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
>>manufacturer of the piston.
>>
>
>
> Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if their
> supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need only
> look to Hyundai.
>

You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
failure, would simply not be logical.


Matt

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:SETFf.5947$lb.524202@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
> >
> >>
> >>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
> >>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
> >>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
> >>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
> >>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
> >>manufacturer of the piston.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> > assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if
their
> > supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> > supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need
only
> > look to Hyundai.
> >
>
> You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
> whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
> they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
> there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
> supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
> Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
> failure, would simply not be logical.
>

Sorry Matt - I had been following this thread but I got thrown by your
closing sentence "Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
manufacturer of the piston".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:SETFf.5947$lb.524202@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
> >
> >>
> >>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
> >>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
> >>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
> >>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
> >>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
> >>manufacturer of the piston.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> > assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if
their
> > supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> > supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need
only
> > look to Hyundai.
> >
>
> You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
> whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
> they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
> there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
> supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
> Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
> failure, would simply not be logical.
>

Sorry Matt - I had been following this thread but I got thrown by your
closing sentence "Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
manufacturer of the piston".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:SETFf.5947$lb.524202@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > newsdQFf.5940$lb.523432@news1.epix.net...
> >
> >>
> >>True, if this was an issue with the piston design specifications that
> >>Hyundai gave to the piston supplier. However, design issues tend to
> >>affect a lot of parts, not just one in several thousand. If this was an
> >>isolate problem, then it typically is a manufacturing defect rather than
> >>a design error. Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
> >>manufacturer of the piston.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not when it (as a subassembly) goes into a final assembly. The final
> > assembly is what is warranted. In this case it's Hyundai's problem if
their
> > supplier supplied a defective part. If they want to go back after the
> > supplier, that's between them and the supplier, but the customer need
only
> > look to Hyundai.
> >
>
> You are missing the original point entirely. The OP was concerned about
> whether he should ever buy a Hyundai again because of a cracked piston.
> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
> they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
> there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
> supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
> Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
> failure, would simply not be logical.
>

Sorry Matt - I had been following this thread but I got thrown by your
closing sentence "Manufacturing defects are the responsibility of the
manufacturer of the piston".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:32:18 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:



> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>failure, would simply not be logical.

It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.

All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.
--
Bob

 

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:32:18 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:



> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>failure, would simply not be logical.

It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.

All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.
--
Bob

 

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:32:18 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:



> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>failure, would simply not be logical.

It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.

All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.
--
Bob

 

Matt, Mike and Bob- Thanks for the discussion on what we should expect from a
car manufacturer to deserve our continued business with them. I agree that
you really can't expect internal engine parts not to fail prematurely with
some small probability, and all the manufacturers must have pistons fail
occasionally. Actually, I purchased a Hyundai because they gave me more car
for the money compared to Toyota for example. To some extent I'm willing to
have a higher failure rate with Hyundai than with Toyota, because a similarly
equipped Toyota costs more, in general. So you may be a consumer who's
willing to take a chance on having a few more things go wrong with the car as
long as the manufacturer upholds the warranty etc.

An update from my dealer is positive in that they decided to replace both the
engine block and heads as a complete "long block" unit instead of building
the engine up in the shop as originally planned. So on the one hand I get
basically a new engine, but on the other hand I've lost use of the car for at
least a month. Many people can't afford to be without a car for a month while
still paying for the insurance and depreciation etc costs of owning a car.
They did not provide me with a rental or loaner car which is not provided
under the normal warranty. We'll see how the reassembled car performs!

Bobweb

Bob Adkins wrote:
>> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>>failure, would simply not be logical.
>
>It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.
>
>All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
>corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
>manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

Matt, Mike and Bob- Thanks for the discussion on what we should expect from a
car manufacturer to deserve our continued business with them. I agree that
you really can't expect internal engine parts not to fail prematurely with
some small probability, and all the manufacturers must have pistons fail
occasionally. Actually, I purchased a Hyundai because they gave me more car
for the money compared to Toyota for example. To some extent I'm willing to
have a higher failure rate with Hyundai than with Toyota, because a similarly
equipped Toyota costs more, in general. So you may be a consumer who's
willing to take a chance on having a few more things go wrong with the car as
long as the manufacturer upholds the warranty etc.

An update from my dealer is positive in that they decided to replace both the
engine block and heads as a complete "long block" unit instead of building
the engine up in the shop as originally planned. So on the one hand I get
basically a new engine, but on the other hand I've lost use of the car for at
least a month. Many people can't afford to be without a car for a month while
still paying for the insurance and depreciation etc costs of owning a car.
They did not provide me with a rental or loaner car which is not provided
under the normal warranty. We'll see how the reassembled car performs!

Bobweb

Bob Adkins wrote:
>> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>>failure, would simply not be logical.
>
>It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.
>
>All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
>corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
>manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

Matt, Mike and Bob- Thanks for the discussion on what we should expect from a
car manufacturer to deserve our continued business with them. I agree that
you really can't expect internal engine parts not to fail prematurely with
some small probability, and all the manufacturers must have pistons fail
occasionally. Actually, I purchased a Hyundai because they gave me more car
for the money compared to Toyota for example. To some extent I'm willing to
have a higher failure rate with Hyundai than with Toyota, because a similarly
equipped Toyota costs more, in general. So you may be a consumer who's
willing to take a chance on having a few more things go wrong with the car as
long as the manufacturer upholds the warranty etc.

An update from my dealer is positive in that they decided to replace both the
engine block and heads as a complete "long block" unit instead of building
the engine up in the shop as originally planned. So on the one hand I get
basically a new engine, but on the other hand I've lost use of the car for at
least a month. Many people can't afford to be without a car for a month while
still paying for the insurance and depreciation etc costs of owning a car.
They did not provide me with a rental or loaner car which is not provided
under the normal warranty. We'll see how the reassembled car performs!

Bobweb

Bob Adkins wrote:
>> My point was that the cracked piston wasn't Hyundai's fault. Sure,
>>they are the one's that have to make it right, which it sounds like
>>there were, but the point is that since pistons are made by a piston
>>supplier, this could equally likely happen to ANY car maker, not just
>>Hyundai. So deciding not to buy a Hyundai again because of this sort of
>>failure, would simply not be logical.
>
>It's Hyundai's fault for choosing that manufacturer for their pistons.
>
>All seriousness aside, that's understandable if Hyundai takes swift
>corrective action. If they give the customer a hassle and let the
>manufacturer get away with shoddy parts, shame on them.

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

 

"bobweb via CarKB.com" <u18437@uwe> wrote in message
news:5b8716e63f1ac@uwe...

>
> An update from my dealer is positive in that they decided to replace both
the
> engine block and heads as a complete "long block" unit instead of building
> the engine up in the shop as originally planned. So on the one hand I get
> basically a new engine, but on the other hand I've lost use of the car for
at
> least a month. Many people can't afford to be without a car for a month
while
> still paying for the insurance and depreciation etc costs of owning a car.
> They did not provide me with a rental or loaner car which is not provided
> under the normal warranty. We'll see how the reassembled car performs!
>

All sounds good *except* for that one month part. What are they doing,
rowing an engine over from Korea?

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"bobweb via CarKB.com" <u18437@uwe> wrote in message
news:5b8716e63f1ac@uwe...

>
> An update from my dealer is positive in that they decided to replace both
the
> engine block and heads as a complete "long block" unit instead of building
> the engine up in the shop as originally planned. So on the one hand I get
> basically a new engine, but on the other hand I've lost use of the car for
at
> least a month. Many people can't afford to be without a car for a month
while
> still paying for the insurance and depreciation etc costs of owning a car.
> They did not provide me with a rental or loaner car which is not provided
> under the normal warranty. We'll see how the reassembled car performs!
>

All sounds good *except* for that one month part. What are they doing,
rowing an engine over from Korea?

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net