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631grant 06-08-2009 10:41 PM

Dealer bites the dust
 
Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of business
and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
Wonderful.......................



Paradox 06-10-2009 01:48 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of

business
> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
> Wonderful.......................
>
>


Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)



631grant 06-10-2009 05:32 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Amen to that!!! We are doomed!

"Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net> wrote in message
news:NLHXl.39930$Ue2.16192@newsfe07.iad...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of

> business
>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>> Wonderful.......................
>>
>>

>
> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>
>




Bill 06-10-2009 05:51 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net.. .
>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of

>business
>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>> Wonderful.......................
>>
>>

>
>Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>


Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
thanks" to the job.

Voyager 06-10-2009 06:04 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of

>> business
>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>
>>>

>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>

>
> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
> thanks" to the job.


The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
has spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
That is simply a fact.

Matt

Miles Monroe 06-10-2009 09:32 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
> Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>> business
>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>

>>
>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>> thanks" to the job.

>
> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama has
> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
> is simply a fact.
>
> Matt


It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
reality. Deregulation failed.




631grant 06-10-2009 09:52 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the last
two years of Bush's administration! The House approves appropriations and
taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over
it.
Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq and
Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that????? What has happened to all
the Americans?????


"Bill" <carver-rem-33@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sia03514am3m9iaabnso4d3ulsrpe821nr@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of

>>business
>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>
>>>

>>
>>Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>

>
> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
> thanks" to the job.




631grant 06-10-2009 09:53 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your left
wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
truth.............


"Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>> business
>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>> thanks" to the job.

>>
>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
>> has
>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>> is simply a fact.
>>
>> Matt

>
> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
> alter
> reality. Deregulation failed.
>
>
>




Voyager 06-10-2009 10:03 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Miles Monroe wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>> business
>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>
>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>> thanks" to the job.

>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama has
>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>> is simply a fact.
>>
>> Matt

>
> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
> reality. Deregulation failed.
>
>
>


I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml

631grant 06-10-2009 11:07 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes. We're
getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
Rebellion to chaos.


"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
> Miles Monroe wrote:
>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>>> business
>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
>>> has
>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>>> is simply a fact.
>>>
>>> Matt

>>
>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>> alter
>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>
>>
>>

>
> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml




Miles Monroe 06-11-2009 03:30 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
> Miles Monroe wrote:
>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>> alter
>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>
>>
>>

>
> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml


Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans'
hand in banking deregulation.

But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?

I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan.
It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman
believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and
Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.

You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.



nothermark 06-11-2009 07:31 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:30:50 -0400, "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net>
wrote:

>
>"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>> alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml

>
>Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans'
>hand in banking deregulation.
>
>But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
>just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
>
>I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan.
>It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman
>believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and
>Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.
>
>You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
>liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
>


It is a natureal force. In a weather sense this is just an example of
why we build houses instead of living in a tent. In a financial sense
the other shoe has to fall and all the smug folks who want cheap
imports and no stinking factory jobs are going to find out where the
money ultimately comes from to pay their salaries. That part of the
cycle is what is hitting now. I'm waiting for either California or
New York to go bankrup next.

BTW, if you want to point a finger use the mirror. Both sides of the
aisle are complicit in the mess.

jp103 06-11-2009 08:02 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
631grant wrote:
> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your left
> wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
> truth.............

Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and O'Really!?!?

>
>
> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>>> business
>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
>>> has
>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>>> is simply a fact.
>>>
>>> Matt

>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>> alter
>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>
>>
>>

>
>


Irwell 06-11-2009 11:25 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:52:12 -0400, 631grant wrote:

> Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
> inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the last
> two years of Bush's administration! The House approves appropriations and
> taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over
> it.
> Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq and
> Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that?????


After asking Sara Palin?
'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.

631grant 06-11-2009 05:07 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE STORY.
How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a newsgroup and
intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just listen to one side
of the story. AND what makes you think listening to CNBC is 'fair and
balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY happening unless you can't
get your head out of the sand or some other dark place.


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> 631grant wrote:
>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your
>> left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
>> truth.............

> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and O'Really!?!?
>
>>
>>
>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>>>> business
>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
>>>> has
>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>> That
>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>> alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>



631grant 06-11-2009 05:12 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
One more moron Democrat who can't see what's happening. I hope Obama crowns
a Moron Czar to get them all off the street. I just can't believe you Dems
can't see what's happening! Instead, you keep looking back and trying to
find someone to blame rather than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare
headed. Stupid stupid stupid.


"Irwell" <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:buaze24h36ry$.1h1x8u56f22if.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:52:12 -0400, 631grant wrote:
>
>> Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
>> inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the
>> last
>> two years of Bush's administration! The House approves appropriations
>> and
>> taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over
>> it.
>> Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq
>> and
>> Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that?????

>
> After asking Sara Palin?
> 'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.




631grant 06-11-2009 05:18 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue as
to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer (sp??) of
GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the people World
Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and pickup trucks.
In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this idiot puts the
future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy or run. He is
just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us' stupid.


"Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:tg2Yl.5862$fD.152@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>> alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml

>
> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>
> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
> just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
>
> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
> Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
> Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and
> fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid
> that sounds.
>
> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
> liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
>
>




jp103 06-11-2009 06:51 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
MSNBC, didn't you?

When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
"shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
discussion.

631grant wrote:
> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE STORY.
> How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a newsgroup and
> intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just listen to one side
> of the story. AND what makes you think listening to CNBC is 'fair and
> balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY happening unless you can't
> get your head out of the sand or some other dark place.
>
>
> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> 631grant wrote:
>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your
>>> left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
>>> truth.............

>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and O'Really!?!?
>>
>>>
>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
>>>>> has
>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>> That
>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>> alter
>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>


Voyager 06-11-2009 06:55 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
631grant wrote:
> Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
> it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes. We're
> getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
> Rebellion to chaos.


Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party
gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd
or 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the
candidates fielded this last election.

Matt

Voyager 06-11-2009 06:57 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Miles Monroe wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>> alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml

>
> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans'
> hand in banking deregulation.


I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was
point out the error in your statement.


> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't
> just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
>
> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan.
> It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman
> believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and
> Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.


So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
like and will stick with?


> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on
> liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.


I made no such attempt.

Matt


631grant 06-11-2009 07:59 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the new
Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their show. NBC
is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should know that from
your Ebonics classes.
If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down side
of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy Pelosi
is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does everything have to
be rushed through Congress before it can even be read and digested? This
one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told you what it will do to
the American economy and how much it will affect the price of operating the
farms, which of course translates to food prices?

Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you voted
for. As for me, I voted for the American.
Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those, than
I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that the
> truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to enough
> of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I just
> assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were referring
> to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced I'm unaware
> that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I always thought
> CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant MSNBC, didn't
> you?
>
> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the sand
> or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
> discussion.
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE STORY.
>> How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a newsgroup and
>> intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just listen to one
>> side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to CNBC is 'fair
>> and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY happening unless you
>> can't get your head out of the sand or some other dark place.
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your
>>>> left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
>>>> truth.............
>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and O'Really!?!?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>>> alter
>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>




631grant 06-11-2009 08:01 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
I too would gladly vote for a third choice if they had a chance of beating
the Democratic Fascist party.


"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:eXfYl.949$N_3.652@newsfe14.iad...
> 631grant wrote:
>> Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
>> it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes.
>> We're getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
>> Rebellion to chaos.

>
> Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party
> gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd or
> 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the candidates
> fielded this last election.
>
> Matt




Ed Pawlowski 06-11-2009 09:21 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:eXfYl.949$N_3.652@newsfe14.iad...
> 631grant wrote:
>> Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
>> it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes.
>> We're getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
>> Rebellion to chaos.

>
> Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party
> gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd or
> 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the candidates
> fielded this last election.
>
> Matt


I've voted for the third parties often. If enough people did, the other two
would really take notice and perhaps get their stuff together.



Miles Monroe 06-11-2009 10:16 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:doeYl.53571$qa.42217@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare headed. Stupid stupid
> stupid.


Where hare headed? Tortoise wants to know.



Miles Monroe 06-11-2009 10:19 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:nRgYl.53619$qa.46547@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you voted
> for. As for me, I voted for the American.


LOL There is nothing funnier and scarier than someone who doesn't know how
stupid they are.



Miles Monroe 06-11-2009 10:24 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:8ZfYl.951$N_3.880@newsfe14.iad...
> Miles Monroe wrote:
>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>> alter
>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>
>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml

>>
>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.

>
> I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was point
> out the error in your statement.


I didn't make an error. Educate yourself. You are only entitled to an
informed opinion, not regurgitating right-wing talking points.

> So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
> like and will stick with?


No, stupid, it was all three of them. (That's Reagan and both Bushes.) The
Republican agenda of deregulation and greed is good, and you I got
mine.







jp103 06-11-2009 10:39 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again?
After reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.

I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will
get no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that
goes across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get
reelected and anything else is a bonus.


If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.

It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the
last election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....

I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say
I appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to
be your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.


631grant wrote:
> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the new
> Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their show. NBC
> is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should know that from
> your Ebonics classes.
> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down side
> of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy Pelosi
> is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does everything have to
> be rushed through Congress before it can even be read and digested? This
> one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told you what it will do to
> the American economy and how much it will affect the price of operating the
> farms, which of course translates to food prices?
>
> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you voted
> for. As for me, I voted for the American.
> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those, than
> I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>
>
> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that the
>> truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to enough
>> of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I just
>> assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were referring
>> to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced I'm unaware
>> that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I always thought
>> CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant MSNBC, didn't
>> you?
>>
>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the sand
>> or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>> discussion.
>>
>> 631grant wrote:
>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE STORY.
>>> How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a newsgroup and
>>> intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just listen to one
>>> side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to CNBC is 'fair
>>> and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY happening unless you
>>> can't get your head out of the sand or some other dark place.
>>>
>>>
>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides your
>>>>> left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize the
>>>>> truth.............
>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and O'Really!?!?
>>>>
>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>>>> alter
>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>
>


Mike Marlow 06-11-2009 10:42 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer (sp??)
> of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the people World
> Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and pickup trucks.
> In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this idiot puts the
> future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy or run. He is
> just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us' stupid.
>


You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the gutter
with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility with your
points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM vehicles that got
over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that number compares to the
competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas mileage is not among the
list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel good to type "gas
guzzlers", dosen't it?


--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net



jp103 06-11-2009 10:43 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Sorry - second from last sentence/second paragraph should be their not
there. Stupid spell check!
jp103 wrote:
> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again?
> After reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>
> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will
> get no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that
> goes across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get
> reelected and anything else is a bonus.
>
>
> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>
> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the
> last election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>
> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say
> I appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to
> be your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing
>> the new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on
>> their show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You
>> should know that from your Ebonics classes.
>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great
>> Nancy Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be
>> read and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations
>> told you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will
>> affect the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to
>> food prices?
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future,
>> you won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell
>> you voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably
>> aren't looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking
>> for. That probably means you are either from the New England area or
>> are a young, idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are
>> neither of those, than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring
>> (God forbid).
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did
>>> say was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers
>>> that the truth will be found on some other station and, having
>>> listened to enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX
>>> are "left wing" I just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another
>>> station you were referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to
>>> be fair and balanced I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that
>>> up?) also claims that. I always thought CNBC was a business
>>> channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>
>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you
>>>> just listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think
>>>> listening to CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what
>>>> is REALLY happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand
>>>> or some other dark place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went
>>>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that
>>>>>>>>> makes me
>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in
>>>>>>>> years. That
>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>
>>


Mike Marlow 06-11-2009 10:44 PM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
news:eXfYl.949$N_3.652@newsfe14.iad...
> 631grant wrote:
>> Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get
>> it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes.
>> We're getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to
>> Rebellion to chaos.

>
> Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party
> gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd or
> 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the candidates
> fielded this last election.
>
> Matt


This is like looking in a mirror...

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net



Voyager 06-12-2009 05:43 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Miles Monroe wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:8ZfYl.951$N_3.880@newsfe14.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>>> alter
>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml
>>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.

>> I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was point
>> out the error in your statement.

>
> I didn't make an error. Educate yourself. You are only entitled to an
> informed opinion, not regurgitating right-wing talking points.


Your statement that it was the fault of Bush and the Republicans is
completely false. Any thinking person knows that and the data supports
that the Democrats played a huge role staring back with the "New Deal."
Read some history. It is very interesting.


>> So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
>> like and will stick with?

>
> No, stupid, it was all three of them. (That's Reagan and both Bushes.) The
> Republican agenda of deregulation and greed is good, and you I got
> mine.


First, it was Bush, then it was Reagan, now it is both. Do you have a
4th lie to share?

Matt

631grant 06-12-2009 08:24 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean about
the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House proceedings? My
guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the sand won't find out
what is going on until it is too late and then you'll spend your time trying
to blame it on Bush even though it's being done right now by YOUR Congress.
Your type is the reason this country is going to hell!
I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on to
position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens. Once
again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>
> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
> and anything else is a bonus.
>
>
> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>
> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>
> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>> prices?
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>
>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>> dark place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>



631grant 06-12-2009 08:25 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>
> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
> and anything else is a bonus.
>
>
> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>
> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>
> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>> prices?
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>
>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>> dark place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>



631grant 06-12-2009 08:29 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the land
of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a great
little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40 mpg. I
just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for. Personal
opinion.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
>> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
>> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
>> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer
>> (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the
>> people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and
>> pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this
>> idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy
>> or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us'
>> stupid.
>>

>
> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel
> good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>




jp103 06-12-2009 08:43 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Grant, Grant, Grant,
There you go again.
I try to educate myself by asking WHAT THE HR (this stands for House
Resolution)# IS and you just want to rant. How can I educate myself by
reading and familiarizing myself if you won't even tell me what you are
talking about? So I will assume that this is a Rush Rant that piqued
your interest and aside from maybe retaining some of his "facts" you
don't really know jack about it. I have tried to address your points
but you seem to only want to hear yourself talk and not reply to any of
my questions. If this is incorrect then please tell me where you said:

1 Where did you say "the other side of the story"?
2 Do you have an HR #?
3 If I watch Fox news I will know who I voted for?

If you need some help with the answers -
1 As regards this thread I didn't.
2 Hmmm no
3 How the hell would Fox news know who you voted for?

Perhaps you could get your news from Colbert and Stewart because it
seems that you just aren't enjoying life right now.

I do appreciate some of your posts about Hyundais so keep up the good
work.



631grant wrote:
> You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
> that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean about
> the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House proceedings? My
> guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the sand won't find out
> what is going on until it is too late and then you'll spend your time trying
> to blame it on Bush even though it's being done right now by YOUR Congress.
> Your type is the reason this country is going to hell!
> I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on to
> position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens. Once
> again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.
>
>
> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
>> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
>> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
>> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
>> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
>> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
>> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
>> and anything else is a bonus.
>>
>>
>> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
>> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>>
>> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
>> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
>> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
>> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
>> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
>> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>>
>> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
>> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
>> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
>> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
>> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
>> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
>> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
>> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
>> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
>> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>>
>>
>> 631grant wrote:
>>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>>> prices?
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>>
>>>
>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>>
>>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>>> dark place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

>


631grant 06-12-2009 08:49 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg
is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.


"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:pKrYl.10096$Xl4.9125@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
>claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the
>land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a
>great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40
>mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for.
>Personal opinion.
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
>>> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
>>> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
>>> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
>>> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
>>> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
>>> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
>>> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
>>> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are
>>> calling 'us' stupid.
>>>

>>
>> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
>> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
>> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
>> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
>> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
>> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does
>> feel good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>>

>
>




631grant 06-12-2009 08:57 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed to
get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected. I
think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in fuel
mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
>> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
>> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
>> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer
>> (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the
>> people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and
>> pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this
>> idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy
>> or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us'
>> stupid.
>>

>
> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel
> good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>




631grant 06-12-2009 09:01 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
YOU IN THE HEART!!


"Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:%%iYl.22373$hc1.14625@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:doeYl.53571$qa.42217@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare headed. Stupid stupid
>> stupid.

>
> Where hare headed? Tortoise wants to know.
>




631grant 06-12-2009 11:24 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Jp, Jp, Jp

I'm not helping you anymore to avoid watching Fox to get the other side of
the story. When you find out what I'm talking about, you can cry on my
shoulder. I'm not making anything up. It's for you to find out.


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0tif1$9e1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Grant, Grant, Grant,
> There you go again.
> I try to educate myself by asking WHAT THE HR (this stands for House
> Resolution)# IS and you just want to rant. How can I educate myself by
> reading and familiarizing myself if you won't even tell me what you are
> talking about? So I will assume that this is a Rush Rant that piqued your
> interest and aside from maybe retaining some of his "facts" you don't
> really know jack about it. I have tried to address your points but you
> seem to only want to hear yourself talk and not reply to any of my
> questions. If this is incorrect then please tell me where you said:
>
> 1 Where did you say "the other side of the story"?
> 2 Do you have an HR #?
> 3 If I watch Fox news I will know who I voted for?
>
> If you need some help with the answers -
> 1 As regards this thread I didn't.
> 2 Hmmm no
> 3 How the hell would Fox news know who you voted for?
>
> Perhaps you could get your news from Colbert and Stewart because it seems
> that you just aren't enjoying life right now.
>
> I do appreciate some of your posts about Hyundais so keep up the good
> work.
>
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
>> that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean
>> about the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House
>> proceedings? My guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the
>> sand won't find out what is going on until it is too late and then you'll
>> spend your time trying to blame it on Bush even though it's being done
>> right now by YOUR Congress. Your type is the reason this country is
>> going to hell!
>> I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on
>> to position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens.
>> Once again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again?
>>> After reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped
>>> me.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
>>> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
>>> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
>>> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will
>>> get no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that
>>> goes across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get
>>> reelected and anything else is a bonus.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
>>> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>>>
>>> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the
>>> last election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
>>> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
>>> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
>>> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
>>> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>>>
>>> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say
>>> I appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
>>> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
>>> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
>>> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
>>> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
>>> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
>>> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to
>>> be your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
>>> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>>>
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing
>>>> the new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on
>>>> their show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You
>>>> should know that from your Ebonics classes.
>>>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>>>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great
>>>> Nancy Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>>>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be
>>>> read and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations
>>>> told you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will
>>>> affect the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to
>>>> food prices?
>>>>
>>>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>>>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>>>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>>>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>>>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>>>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>>>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>>>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did
>>>>> say was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing"
>>>>> I just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and
>>>>> balanced I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also
>>>>> claims that. I always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait,
>>>>> I'll bet you meant MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you
>>>>>> just listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think
>>>>>> listening to CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what
>>>>>> is REALLY happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or
>>>>>> some other dark place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox"
>>>>>>>>>>> <parallaxaz@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in
>>>>>>>>>> years. That
>>>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

>>




631grant 06-12-2009 11:27 AM

Re: Dealer bites the dust
 
Curiously enough, the Cobalt with Auto transmission gets 4 MPG less than the
stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
stick, but 4?????


"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
>>> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
>>> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
>>> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
>>> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
>>> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
>>> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
>>> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
>>> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are
>>> calling 'us' stupid.
>>>

>>
>> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
>> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
>> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
>> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
>> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
>> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does
>> feel good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>>

>
>





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