Mike Marlow

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .

> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>

I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that the
technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all interested
in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug the car into
the wall to charge it up.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

CBX2@webtv.net

THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A
ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
********<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >

CBX2@webtv.net

CBX2@webtv.net wrote:
> THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
> EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A
> ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
> YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
> DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
> DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
> ********<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
>


whew... I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHARE THAT BEFORE I DO MYSELF AND
EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME A FAVOR AND PULL THE TRIGGER. NOW LET'S SEE,
WHICH END OF THE PISTOL GOES AGAINST MY EMPTY CRANIUM?

OH YEAH, I GOT IT NOW..

CBX2@webtv.net

Second post was the ADDY HIJACKER>

631grant

Oh, 50 mpg in Europe is quite normal now, BUT remember that 1/2 of the cars
are diesels! I'm retired now for 3 years but before that I spent TOO much
time in Europe on business and routinely rented MB, Fords, and Peugeots that
always gave me well over 50 mpg with as many as 4 people in them. Most of
the mileage was what I would term suburban driving in town or on the
Autobahn at 100 mph. The cars had surprising acceleration and passing
ability too.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:3c47c$4a34deeb$452897e0$6617@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:S0sYl.10104$Xl4.416@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
>> mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
>> third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
>> Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
>> 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
>> is sick.
>>
>
> 40-50 isn't really the norm in Europe, is it? I too believe that a car
> like the Cobalt should be getting better mileage. It does not seem
> unreasonable to me to expect to see upper 30's out of that size car these
> days - without going to steps like putting a diesel in it.
>
> That said, my daughter recently replaced an 00 Sunfire with an 05 or 06
> Mazda 3. Granted, you don't mention Japanese cars above, but they are
> generally touted as being superior to GM in every respect, and certainly
> in the mileage department. (Not so, but that's what you hear). Her in
> city mileage dropped significantly (an impact to her because she lives in
> the city and does a large amount of city driving), and her highway mileage
> dropped some. Not as noticeable a drop as the city mileage, but still a
> drop.
>
> The HHR is a design nightmare for mileage figures. I can see where that
> would struggle to attain the mileage that a more aerodynamic design should
> achieve, but its city mileage could be better, I believe.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>

631grant

I agree, Mike. any care that has to be plugged in is doomed to failure
until an infrastructure is well in place (which, I believe, will never
happen given our present form of government self interests).
One thing that makes the railroads so efficient is the fact that there is
almost no contact area between the wheels and the track reducing friction.
Once the energy is expended to get the mass up to speed, very little is
needed to maintain it. I guess also the NASCAR drafting syndrome plays a
part in moving a long train. Try that on the interstate!!! When I was
young and foolish, I did that on my motorcycle behind trucks. You could
almost close the throttle and be sucked along (while you prayed he didn't
hit the brakes!). Tire technology could take a giant step forward to reduce
rolling resistance too. I saw an ad for a new 'gas saving' tire but when
you do the math, it is more hype than actual help.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:45f1a$4a34e02d$452897e0$19840@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
>> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
>> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
>> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
>> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into
>> the US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>>
>
> I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
> electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
> tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that
> the technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all
> interested in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug
> the car into the wall to charge it up.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>
>

Slim

On 2009-06-10 01:48:14 -0400, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net> said:

>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
> business
>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>> Wonderful.......................
>>
>>
>
> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)

Its the economy left by King Cluster.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Slim

On 2009-06-10 18:04:54 -0400, Voyager <m.whiting@computer.org> said:

> Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>> business
>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>> thanks" to the job.
>
> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama
> has spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
> That is simply a fact.

The banks are paying back thier loans.

We all know how people like you just hate that.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Slim

On 2009-06-10 21:32:13 -0400, "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> said:

>
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out of
>>>> business
>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes me
>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>> thanks" to the job.
>>
>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin. Obama has
>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years. That
>> is simply a fact.
>>
>> Matt
>
> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
> reality. Deregulation failed.

Throw in a war to scam a pipline, complete with no-bid contracts and no
end strategy.

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Slim

On 2009-06-11 03:30:50 -0400, "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> said:

>
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml
>
> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.

Yes, them Republickans are always shooting themselves in the foot, when
they are aren't pretending to be Cheney. LOL.

>
> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it
> isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto
> industry, yes?
>
> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
> Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
> Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air,
> and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how
> stupid that sounds.

But....Nancy's Astrologer said everthing would be OK!

>
> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis
> on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.

AMEN! ;-)

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Slim

On 2009-06-11 11:25:22 -0400, Irwell <hook@yahoo.com> said:

> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:52:12 -0400, 631grant wrote:
>
>> Bill, once and for all, Obama didn't inherit anything from Bush!!! He
>> inherited it from the Democratic Congress that was in control for the
>> last two years of Bush's administration! The House approves
>> appropriations and taxes, NOT the President. He inherited it from
>> Nancy Pelosi!!! Get over it.
>> Now they want us to read Miranda rights to terrorists captured in Iraq
>> and Afghanistan! Would McCain have allowed that?????
>
> After asking Sara Palin?
> 'In a minute John dear, I'm busy choosing another outfit to wear'.

Is that kid knocked up AGAIN bu some ******* loser ?

--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Slim

Dear Lazy Assed Top- Poster:

The UAW didn't make the decisons to design and manufacture cars.

The UAW didn't **** billions away on bad advertsing.

The UAW didn't buy private jets to fly to Congressional Hearings.

The UAW is not in bed with Saudis like the Bush family is.



On 2009-06-11 17:18:17 -0400, "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> said:

> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you
> are calling 'us' stupid.
>
>
> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
> news:tg2Yl.5862$fD.152@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't alter
>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>
>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml
>>
>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>>
>> But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it
>> isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto
>> industry, yes?
>>
>> I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under
>> Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work.
>> Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air,
>> and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how
>> stupid that sounds.
>>
>> You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis
>> on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.


--
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Voyager

Bill wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
> from Palin being president.

The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is not.

Voyager

631grant wrote:
> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg
> is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
> world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
> more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
> For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.

What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one
for a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.

http://www.mpgfacts.com/?did=806&year=2009

Voyager

631grant wrote:
> Curiously enough, the Cobalt with Auto transmission gets 4 MPG less than the
> stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
> Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
> stick, but 4?????

I believe the XFE has changes other than the transmission. I believe
the engine has been tweaked for fuel economy, it has low rolling
resistance tires (I wonder what those cost to replace?), etc., that I
don't believe are on the auto tranny version.

Matt