Dealer bites the dust
06-15-2009, 07:48 PM
#61
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
>> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
>> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
>> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
>> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
>> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>>
>
> I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
> electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
> tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that the
> technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all interested
> in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug the car into
> the wall to charge it up.
The main reason trains use this approach is to avoid the need for a
clutch system capable of starting out heavy loads. This is basically
the same as the hybrids currently in use. Yes, I think a diesel hybrid
would have significant advantages over a gas hybrid, even with the
greater weight of the diesel engine.
Matt
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
>> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
>> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
>> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
>> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
>> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>>
>
> I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
> electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in the
> tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems that the
> technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at all interested
> in seeing any more introductions that require the own to plug the car into
> the wall to charge it up.
The main reason trains use this approach is to avoid the need for a
clutch system capable of starting out heavy loads. This is basically
the same as the hybrids currently in use. Yes, I think a diesel hybrid
would have significant advantages over a gas hybrid, even with the
greater weight of the diesel engine.
Matt
06-15-2009, 07:51 PM
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Re: BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT ARE STUPID
CBX2@webtv.net wrote:
> THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
> EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A
> ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
> YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
> DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
> DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
> ********<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv bozos who can only type in all
caps. Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard yet?
> THE DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU! FIGHTING
> EACH OTHER SO YOU DON"T SEE THE REAL PROBLEM>THEY DON"T GIVE A
> ABOUT YOU THEY ARE RICH AND GETTING RICHER WHILE YOU FIGHT AMONG
> YOURELVES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF BOTH OF THEM>THIS COUNTRY IS
> DOOMED>THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION ANY MORE.WE JUST HAD A TOWN USE EMMINENT
> DOMAIN TO TAKE PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER TOWN??WATS NEXT>KEEP FIGHTING
> ********<YOU"RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM >
Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv bozos who can only type in all
caps. Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard yet?
06-15-2009, 08:32 PM
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Re: BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT ARE STUPID
Voyager wrote:
>Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
> bozos who can only type in all caps.
> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
> yet?
As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
wireless.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
>Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
> bozos who can only type in all caps.
> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
> yet?
As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
wireless.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
06-15-2009, 10:11 PM
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Re: BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT ARE STUPID
---MIKE--- wrote:
> Voyager wrote:
>
>> Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
>> bozos who can only type in all caps.
>> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
>> yet?
>
> As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
> is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
> wireless.
I don't think he is shouting. He is just smart enough to use a keyboard.
Only your keyboard is wireless? I'm sorry about that...
> Voyager wrote:
>
>> Oh no, now we're brought out the webtv
>> bozos who can only type in all caps.
>> Doesn't webtv give you a real keyboard
>> yet?
>
> As you can see, we do have a real keyboard. The poster using all caps
> is his desire to shout his message. By the way, our keyboard is
> wireless.
I don't think he is shouting. He is just smart enough to use a keyboard.
Only your keyboard is wireless? I'm sorry about that...
06-16-2009, 08:07 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai Sonata
and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
>> mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
>> third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
>> Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
>> 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
>> is sick.
>
> What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one for
> a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.
>
> http://www.mpgfacts.com/?did=806&year=2009
and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
>> mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
>> third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
>> Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
>> 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
>> is sick.
>
> What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one for
> a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.
>
> http://www.mpgfacts.com/?did=806&year=2009
06-16-2009, 08:09 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
I never did understand why the hybrid people didn't use a small diesel for
the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
even with the diesel.
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>>> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being
>>> claimed to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand
>>> corrected. I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more
>>> advances in fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put
>>> enough pressure on Congress to adopt regulations to allow European
>>> diesel technology into the US and THEN we will truly have oil
>>> independence.
>>>
>>
>> I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
>> electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in
>> the tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems
>> that the technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at
>> all interested in seeing any more introductions that require the own to
>> plug the car into the wall to charge it up.
>
> The main reason trains use this approach is to avoid the need for a clutch
> system capable of starting out heavy loads. This is basically the same as
> the hybrids currently in use. Yes, I think a diesel hybrid would have
> significant advantages over a gas hybrid, even with the greater weight of
> the diesel engine.
>
> Matt
the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
even with the diesel.
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>>> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being
>>> claimed to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand
>>> corrected. I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more
>>> advances in fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put
>>> enough pressure on Congress to adopt regulations to allow European
>>> diesel technology into the US and THEN we will truly have oil
>>> independence.
>>>
>>
>> I'm anxious to see more advances in electric, but in self-generating
>> electric. Diesel generator locomotives have advanced great strides in
>> the tonnage they can move on a gallon of diesel fuel, and it sure seems
>> that the technology they employ could be migrated to cars. I'm not at
>> all interested in seeing any more introductions that require the own to
>> plug the car into the wall to charge it up.
>
> The main reason trains use this approach is to avoid the need for a clutch
> system capable of starting out heavy loads. This is basically the same as
> the hybrids currently in use. Yes, I think a diesel hybrid would have
> significant advantages over a gas hybrid, even with the greater weight of
> the diesel engine.
>
> Matt
06-16-2009, 09:35 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>I never did understand why the hybrid people didn't use a small diesel for
>the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
>even with the diesel.
>
Getting the diesel past emission requirements is probably one reason. It
may not be a smooth starting too, when the power is required, compared to
gas, especially in cold climates. I have to think that they have considered
it at some point.
06-17-2009, 06:45 AM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
631grant wrote:
> Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai Sonata
> and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
> getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
> that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
> mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, that makes much more sense!
Matt
> Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai Sonata
> and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata
> getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted
> that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30
> mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, that makes much more sense!
Matt
06-17-2009, 03:03 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
Once in a great while, I actually Do make sense.................... 
)
Of course, my wife will never agree to that!
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai
>> Sonata and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant
>> the Sonata getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally,
>> someone posted that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and
>> were getting over 30 mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ah, that makes much more sense!
>
> Matt
)Of course, my wife will never agree to that!
"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> 631grant wrote:
>> Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai
>> Sonata and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant
>> the Sonata getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally,
>> someone posted that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and
>> were getting over 30 mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ah, that makes much more sense!
>
> Matt
06-17-2009, 03:06 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
If they looked at emissions per mile where the electric motor was doing the
work part of the time, I would think emissions would be quite low. If
you've ever driven a small turbo diesel in Europe, you would see how smooth
and quick they are. Starting in the cold is no longer a problem. In fact,
I believe they don't' even use glow plugs anymore. I had a diesel in
Chicago for years and it started even at sub zero temps. Diesels are NOT
your 'grandmother's diesels'. It's a whole new breed.
"Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:AiWZl.11644$Xw4.1823@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
>>I never did understand why the hybrid people didn't use a small diesel for
>>the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
>>even with the diesel.
>>
>
> Getting the diesel past emission requirements is probably one reason. It
> may not be a smooth starting too, when the power is required, compared to
> gas, especially in cold climates. I have to think that they have
> considered it at some point.
>
work part of the time, I would think emissions would be quite low. If
you've ever driven a small turbo diesel in Europe, you would see how smooth
and quick they are. Starting in the cold is no longer a problem. In fact,
I believe they don't' even use glow plugs anymore. I had a diesel in
Chicago for years and it started even at sub zero temps. Diesels are NOT
your 'grandmother's diesels'. It's a whole new breed.
"Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:dLXZl.6$Wj7.1@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:AiWZl.11644$Xw4.1823@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
>>I never did understand why the hybrid people didn't use a small diesel for
>>the ultimate efficiency since the 'overall' emissions would be quite low
>>even with the diesel.
>>
>
> Getting the diesel past emission requirements is probably one reason. It
> may not be a smooth starting too, when the power is required, compared to
> gas, especially in cold climates. I have to think that they have
> considered it at some point.
>
06-17-2009, 04:51 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:36:51 -0400, Voyager <m.whiting@computer.org>
wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>> from Palin being president.
>
>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is not.
Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>> from Palin being president.
>
>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is not.
Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
06-18-2009, 08:00 PM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
B> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:36:51 -0400, Voyager <m.whiting@computer.org>
B> wrote:
>>Bill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>>> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF
>>>> ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>>> from Palin being president.
>>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is
>>not.
B> Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
Is that a low cal god?
Cheers,
Indrek Aavisto
--
Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill
06-19-2009, 08:27 AM
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Re: Dealer bites the dust
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:00:34 -0400, "Indrek Aavisto"
<nospamaavisto@cyberbeach.net> wrote:
>
> B> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:36:51 -0400, Voyager <m.whiting@computer.org>
>B> wrote:
>
>>>Bill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>>>> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF
>>>>> ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>>>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>>>> from Palin being president.
>
>>>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is
>>>not.
>
>
>B> Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
>
>Is that a low cal god?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Indrek Aavisto
No, that's a politically correct god, and I can't believe I said that.
I must be mellowing in my old age.
Bill
<nospamaavisto@cyberbeach.net> wrote:
>
> B> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:36:51 -0400, Voyager <m.whiting@computer.org>
>B> wrote:
>
>>>Bill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
>>>> <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>>>>> President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF
>>>>> ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>>>> Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
>>>> from Palin being president.
>
>>>The difference is that the first scenario is possible and the second is
>>>not.
>
>
>B> Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
>
>Is that a low cal god?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Indrek Aavisto
No, that's a politically correct god, and I can't believe I said that.
I must be mellowing in my old age.
Bill
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