"irwell" <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either
>>direction.
>>
> Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with
> the engine running, either on the highway or a public place?

Don't know, don't care. Probably is in some places.

The news recently had a story about cars being stolen while people warmed
them up while they finished their coffee in the morning. With a remote, it
is still secure. Hit the button and the doors lock, engine starts and runs,
but stops as soon as you hit the brake unless the key is in the on position.

Common sense dictates you don't start a car in the garage. The button has
to be held for about 4 seconds so a bump won't start it accidentally. It
will shut down at a pre-determined time also so that it cannot be left
running all day. Mine will go 10 minutes. When I park the car at night, I
also put the heated seat button in the on position.

This is my second winter with it. I won't have a car without it.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

 

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:10:50 -0700, "DonC"
<coondwc@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
><Old_Timer> wrote in message
>news:ciivp35n89pm448ee2joqlrbduu8hna8j2@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:02:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of
>>>> taking the keys with you.Just in case some clown jumps in while you
>>>> are paying for the gas Groceries etc etc and takes off on a joy
>>>> ride .To me is a good bit of security that the car locks itself when
>>>> keys removed yours seem exceptionally touchy though
>>>
>>>I leave the car running while pumping gas and it has not locked on me. In
>>>the case of hte OP, it would be good practice to either remove the key or
>>>lower a window until some conclusive cause is found.
>>
>> In Calfornia and I believe a number of other states it is illegal to
>> leave the car running while refueling.
>>
>> Old_Timer
>
>Ditto Michigan. In fact I think it's illegal to leave a car running
>unattended anywhere. The law caused quite a flap when remote starters
>became popular 'cuz technically it was illegal to remotely start your car in
>your own driveway! Not sure of the current law now that I'm living in warm
>Arizona.
>
This is the second year for the law in California that requires
headlights to be one in bad weather, i.e weather that is
bad enough to have the windshield wipers on. Still many
drivers that don't have their lights on under these conditions.
Apart from it being the law, it is also commonsense to be
seen by other drivers.

 

On Jan 30, 12:07 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "irwell" <h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either
> >>direction.
>
> > Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with
> > the engine running, either on the highway or a public place?
>
> Don't know, don't care. Probably is in some places.
>
> The news recently had a story about cars being stolen while people warmed
> them up while they finished their coffee in the morning. With a remote, it
> is still secure. Hit the button and the doors lock, engine starts and runs,
> but stops as soon as you hit the brake unless the key is in the on position.
>
> Common sense dictates you don't start a car in the garage. The button has
> to be held for about 4 seconds so a bump won't start it accidentally. It
> will shut down at a pre-determined time also so that it cannot be left
> running all day. Mine will go 10 minutes. When I park the car at night, I
> also put the heated seat button in the on position.
>
> This is my second winter with it. I won't have a car without it.

Untill your fuel stocks run out over and the past catches up with
you:0

> Edhttp://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:479eb7e1$0$30036$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the
>> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai
>> is helping their customers. ;-)
>>
>
> No - you've got it wrong. It's no major NO-NO to leave your keys in the car
> for such things as filling up the tank. That's only for the foolish people
> of the world. It's really the Korean version of a joke. Different sort of
> sense of humor and all...
>
No, is not a joke, I wish it was, if you live in a little town, like the
one I was born in, yeah, but things had changed, and not for the good.

Do that in a big city .... you are asking for BIG trouble.

 

"Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:479ff949$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:479eb7e1$0$30036$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the
>>> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai
>>> is helping their customers. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> No - you've got it wrong. It's no major NO-NO to leave your keys in the
>> car
>> for such things as filling up the tank. That's only for the foolish
>> people
>> of the world. It's really the Korean version of a joke. Different sort
>> of
>> sense of humor and all...
>>
> No, is not a joke, I wish it was, if you live in a little town, like the
> one I was born in, yeah, but things had changed, and not for the good.
>
> Do that in a big city .... you are asking for BIG trouble.
>

Well, not really. We're not talking about walking away from a running car
here. We're talking about getting out to gas the thing up.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:57:42 -0500, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
wrote:

I have a 2007 Santa Fe,and I had something similar happen two days
ago. Myseft ,The Wife and the teenager went to the local mall for a
quick bank and milk run.i parked the SF and left the engine running
and then left the vehicle ,soon to be followed by the wife.

i got back from getting milk and she the bank and as i sat down she
states "nice" i say,whats nice...she says "locking me in" i said i did
no such thing...she says that every time she tried to unlock the car
to get out that it locked again.they both thought i was in the store
watching out the window and using the key fob to lock the door when
she tried to get out.

I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not
believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob
attached.

it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be
a head scratcher trying to figure this one out.

>Today when I stopped to get gas, my door locked by itself. Luckily I had a
>spare key in my wallet. The key was still in the ignition(turned off).
>After I got back in, I checked the key - it was a fraction of an inch pulled
>out. I had not pulled on it when I turned the engine off. All I touched
>when I got out of the car was the gas cap button. My wife has complained
>that this has happened to her before also.
>As it turned out, I had an appointment later in the day with the dealer to
>get an oil change. I told them about it and they later told me that they
>could not find anything wrong. I got the distinct feeling that I was been
>blown off. They also said that its the first they have heard of that
>occurring..
>In my opinion there are two problems here,
>1) why did it lock in the first place.
>2) Why did it lock with the key in the ignition.
>I explained that on my 2003 Sonata that I had to pull the key out about 3/4
>of the way to make it think the key was out (when you are working on
>something with the door opened it ding-dongs all the time with the key in),
>with the 2007 its only that fraction of an inch. I think that its not
>correct for it to it to be that sensitive.
>Has any one else had this problem? Has anyone's wife complained about this
>problem and you assumed she messed up? Maybe you should have listened to
>her.
>At this point I am a little leery of this car, not sure what to do except
>put a hide a key someplace on the car for a backup.

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:479ff949$0$30256$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479eb7e1$0$30036$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>>> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the
>>>> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai
>>>> is helping their customers. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> No - you've got it wrong. It's no major NO-NO to leave your keys in the
>>>> car
>>>> for such things as filling up the tank. That's only for the foolish
>>>> people
>>>> of the world. It's really the Korean version of a joke. Different sort
>>>> of
>>>> sense of humor and all...
>>>>
>>>> No, is not a joke, I wish it was, if you live in a little town, like the
>>>> one I was born in, yeah, but things had changed, and not for the good.
>>>>
>>>> Do that in a big city .... you are asking for BIG trouble.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. We're not talking about walking away from a running car
>>>> here. We're talking about getting out to gas the thing up.
>>>>
Not difference at all, see:

http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...eft-prevention

 

<non@non.org> wrote in message
> I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not
> believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob
> attached.
>
> it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be
> a head scratcher trying to figure this one out.
>

Just a thought, could it be the bank? I wonder if the receiver gets a
signal from some other source on a nearby frequency and it triggers the door
locks.

A supermarket in town sits high on a hill where you'd expect great radio
reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of
interference, even at times the bank is open.

 

On Jan 30, 7:46 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> <n...@non.org> wrote in message
> > I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not
> > believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob
> > attached.
>
> > it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be
> > a head scratcher trying to figure this one out.
>
> Just a thought, could it be the bank? I wonder if the receiver gets a
> signal from some other source on a nearby frequency and it triggers the door
> locks.
>
> A supermarket in town sits high on a hill where you'd expect great radio
> reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of
> interference, even at times the bank is open.

Ed you may be on to something . I tried to replicate your problem
HEAPS no go.
I rang the folks who service our Sonatas he said he HAS heard of it
ONCE but they could find nothing .

Solution mark IV C -buy a long key chain and clip onto the keys
Then when one get used to taking keys with you (as one should) put a
watch or dog on the chain

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:lAYnj.1161$R84.76@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net. ..
>
> <non@non.org> wrote in message
>> I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not
>> believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob
>> attached.
>>
>> it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be
>> a head scratcher trying to figure this one out.
>>
>
> Just a thought, could it be the bank? I wonder if the receiver gets a
> signal from some other source on a nearby frequency and it triggers the
> door locks.
>
> A supermarket in town sits high on a hill where you'd expect great radio
> reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of
> interference, even at times the bank is open.

Banks usually have lots of computerized "stuff" - ATMs. computers, cash
counting equipment, etc. This can interfere with radio reception. The fobs
used with most modern vehicles - the Hyundais for sure - utilize a series of
encrypted data bursts. Basically, the data is based on an encryption key
that is shared between the receiver in the vehicle, and the fob. This is
typically called "rolling code". The shared key gets determined when the fob
is paired with the vehicle. There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake
anything else for an authentic transmission.

If you're interested....
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/e...tes/91002a.pdf Hyundai uses
Omron http://www.omronauto.com/rftechnology.php but they don't explain
anything, and the principal is the same.

 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic
> transmission.

One word. Titanic

 

"Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> Not difference at all, see:
>
> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...eft-prevention
>
>

Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog tells
you to, then just go ahead.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>> Not difference at all, see:
>>
>> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...eft-prevention
>>
>
> Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog tells
> you to, then just go ahead.
>
Nay, the doggy is anecdotally, I do travel, frequently, to Miami, Tampa
and Orlando and read news from those places ... it ain't pretty at all.

 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
news:3eb23$47a13ecf$a22700f5$7084@ALLTEL.NET:

>
> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> Not difference at all, see:
>>
>> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...heft-preventio
>> n
>>
>>
>
> Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog
> tells you to, then just go ahead.

You guys need to move to Jersey. We're not even supposed to get out of the
car here. It's ILLEGAL to pump my own gas, although I always do it anyway.
I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.

Eric

 

"Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47a1b4f6$0$6145$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>> Not difference at all, see:
>>>
>>> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...eft-prevention
>>>
>>
>> Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog
>> tells
>> you to, then just go ahead.
>>
> Nay, the doggy is anecdotally, I do travel, frequently, to Miami, Tampa
> and Orlando and read news from those places ... it ain't pretty at all.
>

Like everything else - it somewhat depends on where you are. Many people do
not live in high crime areas and just do not have to worry about such
things. Many people extrapolate from anecdotal incidents that happen in
high crime areas and attempt to apply them universally. Though I have no
doubt some things have happened in these areas, I don't for a moment believe
they are universally the case, even in areas throughout Miami, Tampa and
Orlando. I have traveled to these areas and I know from firsthand
experience that none of these experience problems at gas stations as
described in the cartoon dog comments, throughout their respective regions.
I certainly believe they can happen, but so can a heart attack.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net