GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
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Re: The debate is over.
"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:40:57 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> On the bright side, when CO2 increases, so do plants and organisms that
> >> consume it. Vast forests and grasslands, and especially vast expanses
of
> >> ocean have enough organisms to have a real effect on reducing CO2.
> >
> >Well, there you have it. We just need more oceans. I nominate Iraq as
an
> >appropriate site.
>
> I'll see your Iraq, and raise you Iran and N. Korea.
Holy Cow - that's going All In!
Ok - out of desperation, I'll call your raise and raise right back with a
France.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
news:c090b253brp0bb0pimqbcm7fmp83pcko03@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
news:c090b253brp0bb0pimqbcm7fmp83pcko03@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
news:c090b253brp0bb0pimqbcm7fmp83pcko03@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
news:c090b253brp0bb0pimqbcm7fmp83pcko03@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:09:22 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> Gave us:
>
>><HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in news:Leirg.35782$VE1.8753
>>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>> Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is
>>> closing. It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
>>>
>>> And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>>>> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global
>>>> >warming is thinking man can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
>>
>>
>>Right. And I read a study once that showed that countries with more
>>storks had a higher birth rate than countries that didn't. The ban on
>>CFC's has nothing to do with the ozone layer closing.
>>
>
> Never said it did. If you had read the thread, you would find my
> suggestion for fixing the hole.
>
And if you bothered to read what you were replying to, I wasn't talking to
you.
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
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> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
news:qd90b2t3cohhi0fm65st1hjqmds081pkiv@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>> The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
>
Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
Eric
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
> news:qd90b2t3cohhi0fm65st1hjqmds081pkiv@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
>> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>>
>>> The new systems designed
>>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>>
>>
>> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
>> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
>> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
>> less leakage as well.
>>
>
> Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
>
> Eric
Yes.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
> news:qd90b2t3cohhi0fm65st1hjqmds081pkiv@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
>> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>>
>>> The new systems designed
>>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>>
>>
>> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
>> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
>> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
>> less leakage as well.
>>
>
> Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
>
> Eric
Yes.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> Roy L. Fuchs <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
> news:qd90b2t3cohhi0fm65st1hjqmds081pkiv@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
>> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>>
>>> The new systems designed
>>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the
>>>overall volume of refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>>
>>
>> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
>> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
>> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
>> less leakage as well.
>>
>
> Doesn't 134a run at a HIGHER pressure than 12 did?
>
> Eric
Yes.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Arguing in a newsgroup is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Arguing in a newsgroup is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Arguing in a newsgroup is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
win you are still retarded.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:02:47 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>THIS THREAD MUST DIE!!!
>
You are RETARDED!!!
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared?RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>
>>The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the overall volume of
>>refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
Recovery has also played a part, I forgot to add that. My only disagreement would be
that many (surely less than half) shops were already using recovery equipment long
before R134 was mandated. As far as lower pressures, nope. They're within a few PSI if
R12 systems.
Back in the 60s and 70s it was not uncommon for an MVAC system to hold a 4-5 pound
charge. Todays systems generally take right around 2-2.5 pounds, with many small cars
holding less than a pound. Barrier hoses used in cars since 1993 keep permeation loss
to nearly nothing and leak much less at crimped connections. Lip type compressor shaft
seals are much less leak prone then the old type ceramic seals. R134 systems also
require an HPCO instead of a blowoff valve, which vented R12 into the atmosphere, if
the head pressure gets too high.
Recovery, smaller systems, and tighter systems have cut consumption to,
probablty,less than half of what it was 20 years ago. Hardly a boon to the chemical
companies. The only thing that would seem to offset this is that there are more
vehicles being produced.
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>
>>The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the overall volume of
>>refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
Recovery has also played a part, I forgot to add that. My only disagreement would be
that many (surely less than half) shops were already using recovery equipment long
before R134 was mandated. As far as lower pressures, nope. They're within a few PSI if
R12 systems.
Back in the 60s and 70s it was not uncommon for an MVAC system to hold a 4-5 pound
charge. Todays systems generally take right around 2-2.5 pounds, with many small cars
holding less than a pound. Barrier hoses used in cars since 1993 keep permeation loss
to nearly nothing and leak much less at crimped connections. Lip type compressor shaft
seals are much less leak prone then the old type ceramic seals. R134 systems also
require an HPCO instead of a blowoff valve, which vented R12 into the atmosphere, if
the head pressure gets too high.
Recovery, smaller systems, and tighter systems have cut consumption to,
probablty,less than half of what it was 20 years ago. Hardly a boon to the chemical
companies. The only thing that would seem to offset this is that there are more
vehicles being produced.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared?RELAX!
Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>
>>The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the overall volume of
>>refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
Recovery has also played a part, I forgot to add that. My only disagreement would be
that many (surely less than half) shops were already using recovery equipment long
before R134 was mandated. As far as lower pressures, nope. They're within a few PSI if
R12 systems.
Back in the 60s and 70s it was not uncommon for an MVAC system to hold a 4-5 pound
charge. Todays systems generally take right around 2-2.5 pounds, with many small cars
holding less than a pound. Barrier hoses used in cars since 1993 keep permeation loss
to nearly nothing and leak much less at crimped connections. Lip type compressor shaft
seals are much less leak prone then the old type ceramic seals. R134 systems also
require an HPCO instead of a blowoff valve, which vented R12 into the atmosphere, if
the head pressure gets too high.
Recovery, smaller systems, and tighter systems have cut consumption to,
probablty,less than half of what it was 20 years ago. Hardly a boon to the chemical
companies. The only thing that would seem to offset this is that there are more
vehicles being produced.
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:01 -0400, Tom Adkins
> <newton5@remove.comcast.net> Gave us:
>
>
>>The new systems designed
>>for R134a are smaller and aren't as leak prone as R12 systems so the overall volume of
>>refrigerant sold has gone way down.
>
>
>
> Hahaha.. That's funny. Consumption has gone down because we don't
> dump as many tons of refrigerant as we used to. Now, we "RECOVER"
> refrigerant. Systems are also operating at a lower pressure so ther is
> less leakage as well.
Recovery has also played a part, I forgot to add that. My only disagreement would be
that many (surely less than half) shops were already using recovery equipment long
before R134 was mandated. As far as lower pressures, nope. They're within a few PSI if
R12 systems.
Back in the 60s and 70s it was not uncommon for an MVAC system to hold a 4-5 pound
charge. Todays systems generally take right around 2-2.5 pounds, with many small cars
holding less than a pound. Barrier hoses used in cars since 1993 keep permeation loss
to nearly nothing and leak much less at crimped connections. Lip type compressor shaft
seals are much less leak prone then the old type ceramic seals. R134 systems also
require an HPCO instead of a blowoff valve, which vented R12 into the atmosphere, if
the head pressure gets too high.
Recovery, smaller systems, and tighter systems have cut consumption to,
probablty,less than half of what it was 20 years ago. Hardly a boon to the chemical
companies. The only thing that would seem to offset this is that there are more
vehicles being produced.