GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global warming
> >is thinking man can stop it.
>
> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
And, I like to top post. Will do it any time I feel like it.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
> >The only thing more arrogant than thinking man caused global warming
> >is thinking man can stop it.
>
> I think we could fix a hole as it were.
#92
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Um, I didn't read all the replies, but has anyone considered that Mars is
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
#93
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Um, I didn't read all the replies, but has anyone considered that Mars is
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
#94
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
Um, I didn't read all the replies, but has anyone considered that Mars is
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
getting warmer too? Is that our fault too? Gee, maybe the fact that the
sun is getting HOTTER right now. Sorry, that might also be an inconvenient
truth....
This is the same group of scientists who thought we were going through a
cold spell in the 1970s.
"Tunez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
news:wwarg.10459$Nv.9167@fed1read10...
> And this has do do with what concerning my Hyundai ?? Hell I live in the
> desert and dont even use my heater so Im not helping global warming cause
> my air conditioning is on most of the year.
>
> Tunez
>
>
> <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152131732.334174.320190@j8g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Our only hope for "solving" global warming will be through technology
>> that is not even ON today's drawing boards. So, relax. Enjoy life if
>> you're Western or Japanese; hate life if you're third world; and strive
>> to reach Western levels if you're China, India, Brazil or a few other
>> good-life wannabees. Whether GW is real or fiction or someplace in
>> between, the world --if not humankind--will get through global warming,
>> sooner or later!
>>
>> =====
>>
>> "Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth"
>>
>> By Robert J. Samuelson
>> The Washington Post
>> Wednesday, July 5, 2006; A13
>>
>> "Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the
>> next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we won't
>> do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may
>> even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to
>> avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem,
>> the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done. . . .
>> Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national
>> hypocrisy.''
>> -- This column, July 1997
>>
>>
>> Well, so it has. In three decades of columns, I've never quoted myself
>> at length, but here it's necessary. Al Gore calls global warming an
>> "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a
>> path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't
>> know enough to relieve global warming, and -- barring major
>> technological breakthroughs -- we can't do much about it. This was
>> obvious nine years ago; it's still obvious. Let me explain.
>>
>>>From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4
>> billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per
>> person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse
>> gas emissions (mainly, carbon dioxide) will be 42 percent higher in
>> 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more
>> energy. Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty --
>> and freeze everyone else's living standards -- we need economic growth.
>> With modest growth, energy use and greenhouse emissions more than
>> double by 2050.
>>
>> Just keeping annual greenhouse gas emissions constant means that the
>> world must somehow offset these huge increases. There are two ways:
>> Improve energy efficiency, or shift to energy sources with lower (or
>> no) greenhouse emissions. Intuitively, you sense this is tough. China,
>> for example, builds about one coal-fired power plant a week. Now a new
>> report from the International Energy Agency in Paris shows all the
>> difficulties (the population, economic growth and energy projections
>> cited above come from the report).
>>
>> The IEA report assumes that existing technologies are rapidly improved
>> and deployed. Vehicle fuel efficiency increases by 40 percent. In
>> electricity generation, the share for coal (the fuel with the most
>> greenhouse gases) shrinks from about 40 percent to about 25 percent --
>> and much carbon dioxide is captured before going into the atmosphere.
>> Little is captured today. Nuclear energy increases. So do "renewables"
>> (wind, solar, biomass, geothermal); their share of global electricity
>> output rises from 2 percent now to about 15 percent.
>>
>> Some of these changes seem heroic. They would require tough government
>> regulation, continued technological gains and public acceptance of
>> higher fuel prices. Never mind. Having postulated a crash energy diet,
>> the IEA simulates five scenarios with differing rates of technological
>> change. In each, greenhouse emissions in 2050 are higher than today.
>> The increases vary from 6 percent to 27 percent.
>>
>> Since 1800 there's been modest global warming. I'm unqualified to judge
>> between those scientists (the majority) who blame man-made greenhouse
>> gases and those (a small minority) who finger natural variations in the
>> global weather system. But if the majority are correct, the IEA report
>> indicates we're now powerless. We can't end annual greenhouse
>> emissions, and once in the atmosphere, the gases seem to linger for
>> decades. So concentration levels rise. They're the villains; they
>> presumably trap the world's heat. They're already about 36 percent
>> higher than in 1800. Even with its program, the IEA says another 45
>> percent rise may be unavoidable. How much warming this might create is
>> uncertain; so are the consequences.
>>
>> I draw two conclusions -- one political, one practical.
>>
>> No government will adopt the draconian restrictions on economic growth
>> and personal freedom (limits on electricity usage, driving and travel)
>> that might curb global warming. Still, politicians want to show they're
>> "doing something." The result is grandstanding. Consider the Kyoto
>> Protocol. It allowed countries that joined to castigate those that
>> didn't. But it hasn't reduced carbon dioxide emissions (up about 25
>> percent since 1990), and many signatories didn't adopt tough enough
>> policies to hit their 2008-2012 targets. By some estimates, Europe may
>> overshoot by 15 percent and Japan by 25 percent.
>>
>> Ambitious U.S. politicians also practice this self-serving hypocrisy.
>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a global warming program. Gore counts
>> 221 cities that have "ratified" Kyoto. Some pledge to curb their
>> greenhouse emissions. None of these programs will reduce global
>> warming. They're public relations exercises and -- if they impose costs
>> -- are undesirable. (Note: on national security grounds, I favor taxing
>> oil, but the global warming effect would be trivial.) The practical
>> conclusion is that if global warming is a potential calamity, the only
>> salvation is new technology.
>>
>> I once received an e-mail from an engineer. Thorium, he said. I had
>> never heard of thorium. It is, he argued, a nuclear fuel that is more
>> plentiful and safer than uranium without waste disposal problems. It's
>> an exit from the global warming trap. After reading many articles, I
>> gave up trying to decide whether he is correct. But his larger point is
>> correct: Only an aggressive research and development program might find
>> ways of breaking our dependence on fossil fuels or dealing with it.
>> Perhaps some system could purge the atmosphere of surplus greenhouse
>> gases?
>>
>> The trouble with the global warming debate is that it has become a
>> moral crusade when it's really an engineering problem. The inconvenient
>> truth is that if we don't solve the engineering problem, we're
>> helpless.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html
>>
>
>
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:51:55 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
#96
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:51:55 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:51:55 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
>Very recent Japanese studies have proved that the ozone hole is closing.
>It apparently DID do some good to abandon Freon.
Why do you think freon was abandoned. The chinese are making more than
we ever did and it is freely being used in the 3d world as those
people start getting refrigerators. It was only the rich countries who
bought into the freon scare/scam. When the patent expired and Dow
Chemical stopped being the biggest producer of R22 and R12 it suddenly
became evil. The new product with current patents was suddenly the
panecea. The 3d world (including China, ignored the "problem".
The same is true of Kyoto. Only the rich countries are interested in
this but most of the world's population doesn't have to comply, nor
will they.
It is like all these people who are jerking each other off about the
Brazillian ethanol miracle. They don't mention that the Brazillians
are burning down the rain forest for land to grow that sugar for fuel.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:16:20 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc tom@my.place> Gave us:
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:16:20 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc tom@my.place> Gave us:
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:16:20 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc tom@my.place> Gave us:
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
>
>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:25ipa2dr49td06lee34ck5fenaooc9942h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0500, "Brian" <nobody@yahoo.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>not the right place to post this crap.
>>
>> Not the right place to attempt to be accepted as a netkopp...
>
>This from someone who called someone else a "Top posting twit"? LOL!!
Top posting is retarded.
Telling someone what or where they can post in an open forum is even
more retarded.
Telling the tard to stop top posting, and calling you a retarded
netkopp for jacking off at the mouth to someone is not netkopping.
It's a slap in the face. Ten to one you are too stupid to grasp it
and get back on the right path.
>
>Global warming must be true- it's a lot warmer today than it was 3 months
>ago!!
You're an idiot.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
Ozone created down here cannot make it up there, wink boy.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
The ground based stuff is bad. The high altitude stuff is good.
> Why do we not get mad at God for the
>electrical storms that produces most of the ozone? Why does it smell so
>nice after a storm passes?
You are confusing ionized air with Ozone. I used to ride a bike down
through a valley to a job I had at 5:00 in the morning, and a leaky
high tension wire spewed ionized air and it fell down on th street
from above as it was cooler air, and I always smelled it. It was not
Ozone, however.
Roy "Dooms" Sullivan was a strange fellow.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/weather/weather.html
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
The ground based stuff is bad. The high altitude stuff is good.
> Why do we not get mad at God for the
>electrical storms that produces most of the ozone? Why does it smell so
>nice after a storm passes?
You are confusing ionized air with Ozone. I used to ride a bike down
through a valley to a job I had at 5:00 in the morning, and a leaky
high tension wire spewed ionized air and it fell down on th street
from above as it was cooler air, and I always smelled it. It was not
Ozone, however.
Roy "Dooms" Sullivan was a strange fellow.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/weather/weather.html
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING: Gore & Other Nervous Nellies Got Ya Scared? RELAX!
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:35 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
The ground based stuff is bad. The high altitude stuff is good.
> Why do we not get mad at God for the
>electrical storms that produces most of the ozone? Why does it smell so
>nice after a storm passes?
You are confusing ionized air with Ozone. I used to ride a bike down
through a valley to a job I had at 5:00 in the morning, and a leaky
high tension wire spewed ionized air and it fell down on th street
from above as it was cooler air, and I always smelled it. It was not
Ozone, however.
Roy "Dooms" Sullivan was a strange fellow.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/weather/weather.html
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> Gave us:
>If ozone is 'good' why do we fine companies, like steel companies the use
>electric furnaces, that create ozone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
The ground based stuff is bad. The high altitude stuff is good.
> Why do we not get mad at God for the
>electrical storms that produces most of the ozone? Why does it smell so
>nice after a storm passes?
You are confusing ionized air with Ozone. I used to ride a bike down
through a valley to a job I had at 5:00 in the morning, and a leaky
high tension wire spewed ionized air and it fell down on th street
from above as it was cooler air, and I always smelled it. It was not
Ozone, however.
Roy "Dooms" Sullivan was a strange fellow.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/weather/weather.html