Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
"Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not> wrote in message news:ue6dnX46odxPJkHd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
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> "127.0.0.1" <jd@cs.com> wrote in message
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> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:32:53 GMT, Steve B. <this is not my real
> > address@.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:15:30 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> > ><brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Ben wrote:
> > >
> > >>That's exactly the point, but people still refuse to wear belts, perhaps
> > >>even moreso when they have airbags, despite the warnings that come with
> > >>every car. The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze
> me.
> > >
> > >I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
> > >are wearing a seatbelt. I think it is stupid to be in a car without a
> > >seatbelt on but it is your body and your life. Why do I get to decide
> > >that you have to wear a seatbelt?
> > because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
> > seat belt
> Society doesn't "have" to pay.
Corse it does, even if that's just the official report on the corpse.
> Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy lifestyle;
> so is over eating. Both are a personal choice.
One is much more immediate and policeable than the other.
> Will obesity be outlawed?
Not feasible. It is feasible to have seatbelt laws.
> Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle
> helmet law but has a seat belt law-go figure.
Nothing to 'figure', just the usual terminal political stupidity.
Utterly rampant in america.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:04:04 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern"
<dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
>remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
>him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
>pedestrian(s).
Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Steve B.
<dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
>remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
>him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
>pedestrian(s).
Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Steve B.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:03:42 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> wrote:
>because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
>seat belt
And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
in this country and nobody seems to care.
Steve B.
>because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
>seat belt
And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
in this country and nobody seems to care.
Steve B.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not> wrote in message
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> > "127.0.0.1" <jd@cs.com> wrote in message
> > news:s88pd05kl8mfaetueei461580bsgcnr8cu@4ax.com...
> > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:32:53 GMT, Steve B. <this is not my real
> > > address@.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:15:30 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> > > ><brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Ben wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>That's exactly the point, but people still refuse to wear belts,
perhaps
> > > >>even moreso when they have airbags, despite the warnings that come
with
> > > >>every car. The stupidity of the American public never ceases to
amaze
> > me.
> > > >
> > > >I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
> > > >are wearing a seatbelt. I think it is stupid to be in a car without
a
> > > >seatbelt on but it is your body and your life. Why do I get to
decide
> > > >that you have to wear a seatbelt?
> > > because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
> > > seat belt
>
> > Society doesn't "have" to pay.
>
> Corse it does, even if that's just the official report on the corpse.
Nope, society pays only when willing.
> > Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy lifestyle;
> > so is over eating. Both are a personal choice.
>
> One is much more immediate and policeable than the other.
So you favor a police state?
>
> > Will obesity be outlawed?
>
> Not feasible. It is feasible to have seatbelt laws.
There are thousands of non-feasible laws.
> > Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle
> > helmet law but has a seat belt law-go figure.
>
> Nothing to 'figure', just the usual terminal political stupidity.
>
> Utterly rampant in america.
Aha, we finally get to America bashing.
You Very Much.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:57:02 -0400, "Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not>
wrote:
>Society doesn't "have" to pay.
when you have to give an injured driver disability payments, rehab
treatment and medical if he's underinsured, we all wind up paying
>Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle helmet law but has a seat belt
>law-go figure.
and they should make helmetless riders sign a waiver that if involved
in accident they are ineligible for state paid care or benefits
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>Society doesn't "have" to pay.
when you have to give an injured driver disability payments, rehab
treatment and medical if he's underinsured, we all wind up paying
>Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle helmet law but has a seat belt
>law-go figure.
and they should make helmetless riders sign a waiver that if involved
in accident they are ineligible for state paid care or benefits
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:47:28 GMT, Steve B. <this is not my real
address@.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:03:42 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> wrote:
>
>>because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
>>seat belt
>
>
>And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
not so, society doesn't pay one cent for anything that I do
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>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:03:42 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> wrote:
>
>>because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
>>seat belt
>
>
>And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
not so, society doesn't pay one cent for anything that I do
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
In article <qhhpd01ng8ag8sn89a8fglfbhq1igeqt46@4ax.com>, Steve B. wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:04:04 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern"
><dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
>>remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
>>him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
>>pedestrian(s).
>
>Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
>huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Not all emergencies that would dangerously shift a driver from the
driver's seat would deploy the airbag. Some side impacts come to my mind
as able to move a driver from the driver's seat enough to affect
control after the initial impact while not deploying the airbag.
Certainly much more likely than anything where an airbag causes a
seatbelt to be harmful.
BTW - airbags are safer for seatbelt wearers than for
non-seatbelt-wearers.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:04:04 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern"
><dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>A driver who is belted in stays conscious and in the correct position to
>>remain in control of his vehicle in the event of an emergency. That makes
>>him much, much less likely to hit another vehicle(s) and/or a
>>pedestrian(s).
>
>Except that the air bag had deployed leaving the driver dazed and a
>huge bag hanging from the steering wheel.
Not all emergencies that would dangerously shift a driver from the
driver's seat would deploy the airbag. Some side impacts come to my mind
as able to move a driver from the driver's seat enough to affect
control after the initial impact while not deploying the airbag.
Certainly much more likely than anything where an airbag causes a
seatbelt to be harmful.
BTW - airbags are safer for seatbelt wearers than for
non-seatbelt-wearers.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
Nanny State
Michelle
Italy
"Steve B." <this is not my real address@.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:03:42 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> wrote:
>
> >because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
> >seat belt
>
>
> And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
> so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
> anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
> you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
> walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
>
> I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
> not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
> in this country and nobody seems to care.
>
> Steve B.
Michelle
Italy
"Steve B." <this is not my real address@.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:03:42 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> wrote:
>
> >because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
> >seat belt
>
>
> And society has to pay for that cheeseburger you had for lunch today
> so I have decided that you don't get to have any animal products
> anymore for the good of socieity. Fruit might be bad for you too so
> you only get to have green beans for the rest of your life and have to
> walk around inside a giat rubber ball to keep you safe.
>
> I agree that everyone should wear seatbelts and nobody in my car would
> not have them.. It just bothers me that freedoms are being taken away
> in this country and nobody seems to care.
>
> Steve B.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
"127.0.0.1" <jd@cs.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:57:02 -0400, "Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not>
> wrote:
>
> >Society doesn't "have" to pay.
>
> when you have to give an injured driver disability payments, rehab
> treatment and medical if he's underinsured, we all wind up paying
And a person that's overweight and uninsured is the same burden and more
prolific.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
In article <7c6pd09lnvn201mrclf56fabr643op4ruf@4ax.com>,
Steve B. <this is not my real address@.com> wrote:
> I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
> are wearing a seatbelt.
Nobody does.
> I think it is stupid to be in a car without a seatbelt on but it is
> your body and your life.
Okay, well, that's a start.
> Why do I get to decide that you have to wear a seatbelt?
YOU don't. Neither do I.
Moreover, you don't have to wear a seatbelt. Drive on your own roads,
and nobody can say boo. Anyone should feel free to be as stupid as they
want, disregarding any and all common sense, accumulated wisdom and
genetic memory. People do this all the time.
However, if you or I or anyone else, no matter how stupid, drives upon
the public roadways which are built and maintained with public monies,
then you got to follow the rules. 'Cause you don't own those roads all
to yourself. One of those rules is "WEAR YOUR SEATBELT". It's a rule
because it's been shown over and over to make the public roadways safer
for everyone to use. Even so, you don't have to follow the rules if you
don't mind risking the potential consequential penalty--ranging from a
ticket to your own maiming to death.
When I was in Seattle in the ninties, I got to talking to an airport cop
during a slow period at SeaTac. He told me that many drivers
knowingly--and surprisingly cheerfully--chose get a parking ticket
because it only cost them $25 and the amount of time they would spend
looking for a legal space plus paying for the space, combined with the
time they would spend walking to and from the legal space would be more
costly and less convenient than just paying the ticket.
Shoot, look at all the "drivers" (using the term loosely) who quite
murderously ignore speed limits on residential and other surface
streets. Look at all the people who die when they are ejected from their
vehicle because they weren't strapped in. Look at all the people who
drive on the wrong side of the road--just to PARK, for God's sake--or
who run red lights or stop signs, cut in front of oncoming traffic, or
swerve across three lanes of traffic to make their exit or turn...just
so they don't have to turn around.
There's a LOT of them out there on the road. No doubt their behavior
adds considerable weight to justify seatbelt laws.
See, the rules are pretty clear for people like you who don't understand
"why" rules exist but follow them anyway. Unfortunately, it's just as
easy for people who, whether or not they understand "why", choose to
ignore the rules anyway. And then we all wind up paying.
Steve B. <this is not my real address@.com> wrote:
> I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
> are wearing a seatbelt.
Nobody does.
> I think it is stupid to be in a car without a seatbelt on but it is
> your body and your life.
Okay, well, that's a start.
> Why do I get to decide that you have to wear a seatbelt?
YOU don't. Neither do I.
Moreover, you don't have to wear a seatbelt. Drive on your own roads,
and nobody can say boo. Anyone should feel free to be as stupid as they
want, disregarding any and all common sense, accumulated wisdom and
genetic memory. People do this all the time.
However, if you or I or anyone else, no matter how stupid, drives upon
the public roadways which are built and maintained with public monies,
then you got to follow the rules. 'Cause you don't own those roads all
to yourself. One of those rules is "WEAR YOUR SEATBELT". It's a rule
because it's been shown over and over to make the public roadways safer
for everyone to use. Even so, you don't have to follow the rules if you
don't mind risking the potential consequential penalty--ranging from a
ticket to your own maiming to death.
When I was in Seattle in the ninties, I got to talking to an airport cop
during a slow period at SeaTac. He told me that many drivers
knowingly--and surprisingly cheerfully--chose get a parking ticket
because it only cost them $25 and the amount of time they would spend
looking for a legal space plus paying for the space, combined with the
time they would spend walking to and from the legal space would be more
costly and less convenient than just paying the ticket.
Shoot, look at all the "drivers" (using the term loosely) who quite
murderously ignore speed limits on residential and other surface
streets. Look at all the people who die when they are ejected from their
vehicle because they weren't strapped in. Look at all the people who
drive on the wrong side of the road--just to PARK, for God's sake--or
who run red lights or stop signs, cut in front of oncoming traffic, or
swerve across three lanes of traffic to make their exit or turn...just
so they don't have to turn around.
There's a LOT of them out there on the road. No doubt their behavior
adds considerable weight to justify seatbelt laws.
See, the rules are pretty clear for people like you who don't understand
"why" rules exist but follow them anyway. Unfortunately, it's just as
easy for people who, whether or not they understand "why", choose to
ignore the rules anyway. And then we all wind up paying.
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
"Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not> wrote in message news:8Oqdnb--soRhV0HdRVn-uA@comcast.com...
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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Chas Hurst" <!hurst1@comcast.not> wrote in message
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> > > "127.0.0.1" <jd@cs.com> wrote in message
> > > news:s88pd05kl8mfaetueei461580bsgcnr8cu@4ax.com...
> > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:32:53 GMT, Steve B. <this is not my real
> > > > address@.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:15:30 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> > > > ><brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Ben wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>That's exactly the point, but people still refuse to wear belts,
> perhaps
> > > > >>even moreso when they have airbags, despite the warnings that come
> with
> > > > >>every car. The stupidity of the American public never ceases to
> amaze
> > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't understand why anyone, other than their family, cares if they
> > > > >are wearing a seatbelt. I think it is stupid to be in a car without
> a
> > > > >seatbelt on but it is your body and your life. Why do I get to
> decide
> > > > >that you have to wear a seatbelt?
> > > > because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
> > > > seat belt
> >
> > > Society doesn't "have" to pay.
> >
> > Corse it does, even if that's just the official report on the corpse.
>
> Nope, society pays only when willing.
Nope.
> > > Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy lifestyle;
> > > so is over eating. Both are a personal choice.
> >
> > One is much more immediate and policeable than the other.
> So you favor a police state?
Nope.
> > > Will obesity be outlawed?
> >
> > Not feasible. It is feasible to have seatbelt laws.
>
> There are thousands of non-feasible laws.
Pathetic, really.
> > > Pennsylvania just repealed it's motorcycle
> > > helmet law but has a seat belt law-go figure.
> >
> > Nothing to 'figure', just the usual terminal political stupidity.
> >
> > Utterly rampant in america.
> Aha, we finally get to America bashing.
> You Very Much.
Any 3 year old could do better than that pathetic effort, child.
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Re: XG300
"Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
>You are warping your front end brake rotors. That is something that
>normally wouldn't be covered under any kind of manufacturer warranty. Brake
>pads/rotors are usually considered consumable items, kind of like tires and
>air filters.
It ought to be cuz the rotors are just not thick enough. Dave, why do
you say HE is warping his brake rotors. Isn't it just possible that
the rotors aren't up to the service. With 30,000 miles on my XG300L,
I've had the rotors turned under warranty and the front pads are about
2/3rds gone. Are you going to tell me that I'm warping my rotors. I
modulate the brakes, haven't had any panic stops and am generally
quite easy on the car; on the way to Houston, I seldom get above 90.
It's possible, I think, that a design issue is involved and rotors are
a lot more important than horsepower rating!
Fred, W8OY
notjfriley@ieee.nospam.org
>You are warping your front end brake rotors. That is something that
>normally wouldn't be covered under any kind of manufacturer warranty. Brake
>pads/rotors are usually considered consumable items, kind of like tires and
>air filters.
It ought to be cuz the rotors are just not thick enough. Dave, why do
you say HE is warping his brake rotors. Isn't it just possible that
the rotors aren't up to the service. With 30,000 miles on my XG300L,
I've had the rotors turned under warranty and the front pads are about
2/3rds gone. Are you going to tell me that I'm warping my rotors. I
modulate the brakes, haven't had any panic stops and am generally
quite easy on the car; on the way to Houston, I seldom get above 90.
It's possible, I think, that a design issue is involved and rotors are
a lot more important than horsepower rating!
Fred, W8OY
notjfriley@ieee.nospam.org
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
>
> Society doesn't "have" to pay. Not wearing a seatbelt is an unhealthy
> lifestyle; so is over eating. Both are a personal choice. Will obesity be
> outlawed?
since they both affect my insurance rates? sure.
from now on, people who dont wear seatbelts cant get car insurance, and
the morbidly obese wont be allowed health insurance.
so it is written, so it is done...
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Re: Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem
>>>>
>>>>because society has to pay for the after effects of non usage of the
>>>>seat belt
>>
>>>Society doesn't "have" to pay.
i just called all the county hospitals in LA, and told them to stop care
and immediately discharge any indigent patients they have that were in
an auto accident without a seatbelt.
they said theyll get back to me on that one.
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> Wrong answer. It doesn't take a very long trip down the road you just
> named before we require everyone to be vegetarians, outlaw alcohol and
> tobacco, outlaw driving entirely, outlaw bicycling and *certainly* outlaw
> motorcycles, etc.
but we get to keep BASE jumping, sky diving, and recreational crack
smoking. fair nuff.