nothermark

I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
$800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)


On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
>
>Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
>approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
>
>I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
>requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
>about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
>
>If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
>requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
>vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
>
>
>
>nothermark wrote:
>> timing belt is at 60,000.
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
>> >year.
>> >
>> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
>> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
>> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
>> >
>> >One or two Accents (etal models)
>> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
>> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
>> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
>> >
>> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
>> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
>> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
>> >
>> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
>> >service.
>> >
>> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
>> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
>> >suppose.
>> >
>> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
>> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
>> >hundred bucks per year.
>> >
>> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
>> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
>> >allowed.
>> >
>> >
>> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
>> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
>> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
>> >> affordable price.
>> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

Robert Cohen

Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
bad jokes.

Let's look at the cashier tape:

The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
an hour for the labor itself:

Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.

For example:

I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
simple changing of the anti-freeze.

It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
circulating or what?

Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.

I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .

Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
Grenada.

Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.

So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
covered.


nothermark wrote:
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>
>
> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
> >
> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
> >
> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
> >
> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
> >
> >
> >
> >nothermark wrote:
> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
> >> >year.
> >> >
> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
> >> >
> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
> >> >
> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
> >> >
> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
> >> >service.
> >> >
> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
> >> >suppose.
> >> >
> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
> >> >hundred bucks per year.
> >> >
> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
> >> >allowed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
> >> >> affordable price.
> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

Robert Cohen

Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
bad jokes.

Let's look at the cashier tape:

The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
an hour for the labor itself:

Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.

For example:

I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
simple changing of the anti-freeze.

It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
circulating or what?

Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.

I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .

Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
Grenada.

Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.

So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
covered.


nothermark wrote:
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>
>
> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
> >
> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
> >
> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
> >
> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
> >
> >
> >
> >nothermark wrote:
> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
> >> >year.
> >> >
> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
> >> >
> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
> >> >
> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
> >> >
> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
> >> >service.
> >> >
> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
> >> >suppose.
> >> >
> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
> >> >hundred bucks per year.
> >> >
> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
> >> >allowed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
> >> >> affordable price.
> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

Robert Cohen

Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
bad jokes.

Let's look at the cashier tape:

The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
an hour for the labor itself:

Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.

For example:

I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
simple changing of the anti-freeze.

It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
circulating or what?

Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.

I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .

Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
Grenada.

Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.

So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
covered.


nothermark wrote:
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>
>
> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
> >
> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
> >
> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
> >
> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
> >
> >
> >
> >nothermark wrote:
> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
> >> >year.
> >> >
> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
> >> >
> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
> >> >
> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
> >> >
> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
> >> >service.
> >> >
> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
> >> >suppose.
> >> >
> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
> >> >hundred bucks per year.
> >> >
> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
> >> >allowed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
> >> >> affordable price.
> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

nothermark

The cost comments were serious. The dealer quote was from:
http://www.giambalvo.com/Images/Docu...0Hyundai_2.pdf

FWIW - the shop rate is per flat rate hour and the mechanic probably
gets about1/4 to1/3 of it. Depending on the work a good mechanic who
is used to the vehicle can do seriously more work than the flat rate
manual estimates. You are also paying at least 2x what the parts cost
at the local auto parts store. Dealers get serious fines and costs
for how they dispose of hazardous waste. Homeowners generally do not.
The level of mechanical skill rewuired to do a tuneup is not high but
vastly exceeds that of many folks I havve met. Some of them were
professors I worked for.

;-)



On 19 Jun 2006 05:43:39 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
>bad jokes.
>
>Let's look at the cashier tape:
>
>The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
>an hour for the labor itself:
>
>Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
>the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
>paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
>f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.
>
>For example:
>
>I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
>simple changing of the anti-freeze.
>
>It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
>entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
>circulating or what?
>
>Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
>worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
>lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.
>
>I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
>supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .
>
>Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
>Grenada.
>
>Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.
>
>So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
>covered.
>
>
>nothermark wrote:
>> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
>> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
>> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
>> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
>> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
>> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
>> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
>> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
>> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
>> >
>> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
>> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
>> >
>> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
>> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
>> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
>> >
>> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
>> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
>> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >nothermark wrote:
>> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
>> >> >year.
>> >> >
>> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
>> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
>> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
>> >> >
>> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
>> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
>> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
>> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
>> >> >
>> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
>> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
>> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
>> >> >
>> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
>> >> >service.
>> >> >
>> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
>> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
>> >> >suppose.
>> >> >
>> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
>> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
>> >> >hundred bucks per year.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
>> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
>> >> >allowed.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
>> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
>> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
>> >> >> affordable price.
>> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

nothermark

The cost comments were serious. The dealer quote was from:
http://www.giambalvo.com/Images/Docu...0Hyundai_2.pdf

FWIW - the shop rate is per flat rate hour and the mechanic probably
gets about1/4 to1/3 of it. Depending on the work a good mechanic who
is used to the vehicle can do seriously more work than the flat rate
manual estimates. You are also paying at least 2x what the parts cost
at the local auto parts store. Dealers get serious fines and costs
for how they dispose of hazardous waste. Homeowners generally do not.
The level of mechanical skill rewuired to do a tuneup is not high but
vastly exceeds that of many folks I havve met. Some of them were
professors I worked for.

;-)



On 19 Jun 2006 05:43:39 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
>bad jokes.
>
>Let's look at the cashier tape:
>
>The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
>an hour for the labor itself:
>
>Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
>the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
>paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
>f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.
>
>For example:
>
>I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
>simple changing of the anti-freeze.
>
>It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
>entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
>circulating or what?
>
>Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
>worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
>lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.
>
>I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
>supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .
>
>Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
>Grenada.
>
>Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.
>
>So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
>covered.
>
>
>nothermark wrote:
>> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
>> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
>> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
>> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
>> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
>> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
>> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
>> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
>> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
>> >
>> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
>> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
>> >
>> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
>> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
>> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
>> >
>> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
>> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
>> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >nothermark wrote:
>> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
>> >> >year.
>> >> >
>> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
>> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
>> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
>> >> >
>> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
>> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
>> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
>> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
>> >> >
>> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
>> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
>> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
>> >> >
>> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
>> >> >service.
>> >> >
>> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
>> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
>> >> >suppose.
>> >> >
>> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
>> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
>> >> >hundred bucks per year.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
>> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
>> >> >allowed.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
>> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
>> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
>> >> >> affordable price.
>> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

nothermark

The cost comments were serious. The dealer quote was from:
http://www.giambalvo.com/Images/Docu...0Hyundai_2.pdf

FWIW - the shop rate is per flat rate hour and the mechanic probably
gets about1/4 to1/3 of it. Depending on the work a good mechanic who
is used to the vehicle can do seriously more work than the flat rate
manual estimates. You are also paying at least 2x what the parts cost
at the local auto parts store. Dealers get serious fines and costs
for how they dispose of hazardous waste. Homeowners generally do not.
The level of mechanical skill rewuired to do a tuneup is not high but
vastly exceeds that of many folks I havve met. Some of them were
professors I worked for.

;-)



On 19 Jun 2006 05:43:39 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>Is this a serious inquiry: Because it's so wide open for some really
>bad jokes.
>
>Let's look at the cashier tape:
>
>The customary wage is something like $50 (whatever it is at the dealer)
>an hour for the labor itself:
>
>Then anything touched by an experienced pro (or whomever they get at
>the rescue mission that morning) is gonnabe more $ than would be not
>paid by shade tree driveway fumblers who'll subsequently give-up
>f'ing-up after doing their collateral unintended damage.
>
>For example:
>
>I've tried some of the routine things with mixed successes, such as the
>simple changing of the anti-freeze.
>
>It looks so easy, but why doesn't the new stuff not flow into the
>entire system--turn on the heater, dip-*****--but is it actually
>circulating or what?
>
>Ooops: That thermostat needs to be replaced, and ...I couldn't make a
>worse mess of the anti-freeze/water mixture than, say, a kitty cat
>lapping up the sweet spilled green poison.
>
>I did an oil change of my ''76 Ford Grenada, and ....the oil filter is
>supposed to be screwed tight, which I had thought I did, but .... .
>
>Spark-plugs & voltage regulator: I've played with a '68 VW van & the
>Grenada.
>
>Brake: Who can't scrape a brake? Me and I ain't risking it.
>
>So, I pay what they say, and feel good that the expensive ***** will be
>covered.
>
>
>nothermark wrote:
>> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
>> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
>> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
>> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
>> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
>> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
>> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
>> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
>> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2006 17:02:11 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >re: 60,000 miles is timing belt change (not 30,000 miles)
>> >
>> >Yes, and at 30,000 miles, the required services would amount to
>> >approximately $400--$800. at a dealer service dept.
>> >
>> >I've heard (hear-say) it's more expensive for Ford F p/up maintenance
>> >requirements, tough its something we customers don't like to think
>> >about w/o heightening of blood pressure.
>> >
>> >If anybody reading this has some kind of link that compares servicing
>> >requirements/prices for the various makes & models of all or of many
>> >vehicles/models, then it might be "fun" & velly interesting to see.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >nothermark wrote:
>> >> timing belt is at 60,000.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 17 Jun 2006 06:03:33 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The time to buy a new one: Imho: If you can wait toward the end of the
>> >> >year.
>> >> >
>> >> >At the un-bait & un-switch type of close-out sales (of the dust
>> >> >catcher/shop-worn merchandise that costs the dealer interest-payments),
>> >> >and sometimes its hard to tell what the deception in the ad is.
>> >> >
>> >> >One or two Accents (etal models)
>> >> >--at a dealer--with automatic & air might become available at maybe
>> >> >$10,000 or less, as they have seemingly been in some past years--I've
>> >> >seen 'em for $8000 with air5 & automatic a couple years ago.
>> >> >
>> >> >The trick/problem/gimmick/reality is that the dealer certainly needs to
>> >> >make it back, so the maintenance fees particularly at 30,000 & 60,000
>> >> >miles aren't gonnabe such terrific ideal consumer bargains of course.
>> >> >
>> >> >Think $500--$800 more or less for each 30,000 & 60,000 timing belt
>> >> >service.
>> >> >
>> >> >Imho: to feel secure about the car's/your future, also buy their
>> >> >extended bumper-to-bumper service contract, $700--$1200, more or less I
>> >> >suppose.
>> >> >
>> >> >Finance thru Hyundai's 0 percent or whatever, or perhaps through a
>> >> >credit union rather than the usual suspect banks in order to save a few
>> >> >hundred bucks per year.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a jungle out here, so bring your micro elephant weapon--more
>> >> >information and better resistance to intimidation & lies than should be
>> >> >allowed.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >yared22311@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> Hyundai's Accent affordably decent
>> >> >> Having spent the past decade rehabilitating itself, this Korean
>> >> >> carmaker is now turning out some very decent product at a relatively
>> >> >> affordable price.
>> >> >> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend...2705-8116r.htm

Mike Marlow

"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:hk1d925755sifl8q33vij2q0eni26k2lh3@4ax.com...
>
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>

I had my wife's Sonata in for some warranty work (CD Player) and the dealer
suggested the coolant flush. The car was nearing 30,000 miles. The
dealer's normal price was something like $80 for a coolant flush but I
negotiated it to $50 simply based on the price that the quick lube places
charge for a coolant service. It was a simple and quick negotiation.

I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
net.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:hk1d925755sifl8q33vij2q0eni26k2lh3@4ax.com...
>
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>

I had my wife's Sonata in for some warranty work (CD Player) and the dealer
suggested the coolant flush. The car was nearing 30,000 miles. The
dealer's normal price was something like $80 for a coolant flush but I
negotiated it to $50 simply based on the price that the quick lube places
charge for a coolant service. It was a simple and quick negotiation.

I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
net.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:hk1d925755sifl8q33vij2q0eni26k2lh3@4ax.com...
>
> I did not find the Hyundai list on line soI wouldlike a link or
> pointer if someone has one. I did find a brochure (several really)
> for various dealers. The one in Ohio that I read was 200 - 300 for
> the 30K service. Looks like the coolant change and Auto transmission
> oil change stack up. A DIY like me will do it for under 100 and
> probably under 50 as I don't buy automatics. That said I don't
> begrudge the dealer this price, he has to eat and pay his mechanic. A
> fair chunk is probably going for disposal of the coolant. 400 to
> $800 says you live in NYC or are being gouged. (Same thing, really)
>

I had my wife's Sonata in for some warranty work (CD Player) and the dealer
suggested the coolant flush. The car was nearing 30,000 miles. The
dealer's normal price was something like $80 for a coolant flush but I
negotiated it to $50 simply based on the price that the quick lube places
charge for a coolant service. It was a simple and quick negotiation.

I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
net.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:

> I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
> Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
> oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
> pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
> department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
> rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
> best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
> net.

You do mean $1.79 for all 10 crush rings, right? If you paid $1.79 each
they took you for a ride.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:

> I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
> Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
> oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
> pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
> department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
> rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
> best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
> net.

You do mean $1.79 for all 10 crush rings, right? If you paid $1.79 each
they took you for a ride.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:

> I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that Fucillio
> Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack of
> oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
> pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the parts
> department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said I'd
> rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
> best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on the
> net.

You do mean $1.79 for all 10 crush rings, right? If you paid $1.79 each
they took you for a ride.


Matt

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qlQlg.9882$lb.873611@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that
Fucillio
> > Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack
of
> > oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
> > pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the
parts
> > department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said
I'd
> > rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
> > best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on
the
> > net.
>
> You do mean $1.79 for all 10 crush rings, right? If you paid $1.79 each
> they took you for a ride.
>

Where are you buying them significantly cheaper than that? Qty 1 pricing on
the net is anywhere from around $2 to around $3.

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mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:qlQlg.9882$lb.873611@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > I've read a lot about dealers in this forum, but I have to say that
Fucillio
> > Hyundai in Syracuse is very easy to deal with. I bought a blister pack
of
> > oil filters from them for right around $4 per filter (10 filters in the
> > pack) and 10 crush rings for $1.79 each. Same thing - called up the
parts
> > department and told them what I found on the internet for prices, said
I'd
> > rather deal directly with a local business, and then asked them what the
> > best deal was that they could offer me. They matched what I found on
the
> > net.
>
> You do mean $1.79 for all 10 crush rings, right? If you paid $1.79 each
> they took you for a ride.
>

Where are you buying them significantly cheaper than that? Qty 1 pricing on
the net is anywhere from around $2 to around $3.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net