Ignition key lock up
01-08-2009, 04:41 PM
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Ignition key lock up
Today the ignition key in our 2006 Santa Fe wouldn't turn. The
service manager says it is a security feature. If you sometimes turn
the wheel (with the key out), the wheel will lock. It took him a few
times to make it lock, but he did lock it. Then the key won't turn. He
said press on the brake and turn the wheel to the right and turn the
key...it worked. Said it stops hot wiring a car..Question is, the
manual says nothing about this at all. Is it really true, or is he
pulling a fast one. I'm used to GM cars security systems, but the
wheel doesn't always lock. Service manager said this happens the most
when someone get out of the car and hold the whee at the same time.
Funny thing is, we had a tow truck driver come out and he said the
same thing. The salesman we bough the car from (new) never mentioned
this...and pointedly said it wasn't like GM (or Ford) cars, in that it
didn't lock up like they did.
I really just want to know if this is right or not.
Thanks,
01-10-2009, 11:54 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
the wheel is turned to that position.
If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
turning the wheel just a little.
the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
the wheel is turned to that position.
If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
turning the wheel just a little.
01-13-2009, 07:12 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>the wheel is turned to that position.
>
>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>turning the wheel just a little.
>
>
Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
time. Thanks again.
01-13-2009, 10:47 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:12:46 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>
>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>
>>
>
> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
> time. Thanks again.
Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
basic items.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
wisdom...:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>
>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>
>>
>
> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
> time. Thanks again.
Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
basic items.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
01-14-2009, 03:27 AM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
> > Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
> > it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
> > time. Thanks again.
>
> Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
> has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
> Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
> Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
> basic items.
The first time it happened to me, I got worried, called my dad, and he
explained it in 2 seconds.
I don't think it's "the most idiotic basic item" -- it's certainly
basic, but it's not common. I had never seen it happen to anyone's car
for the first 23 years of my life, compared to practically every other
aspect of normal vehicle operation. So really, I think it deserves to
be a yellow box item on the "starting your car" page...
> > it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
> > time. Thanks again.
>
> Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
> has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
> Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
> Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
> basic items.
The first time it happened to me, I got worried, called my dad, and he
explained it in 2 seconds.
I don't think it's "the most idiotic basic item" -- it's certainly
basic, but it's not common. I had never seen it happen to anyone's car
for the first 23 years of my life, compared to practically every other
aspect of normal vehicle operation. So really, I think it deserves to
be a yellow box item on the "starting your car" page...
01-14-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:47:16 -0500, Mike Marlow
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:12:46 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
>wisdom...:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>>
>>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
>> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
>> time. Thanks again.
>
>Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
>has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
>Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
>Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
>basic items.
Nice try. But if you would check your facts first, before try to make
people look like fools, you'd know that the 2006 Santa Fe doesn't
have a column mounted ignition switch....it's on the dash. Which is
what prompted the question in the first place. It doesn't have locking
steering column (normally) like a GM car does. Which is fine because
everyone knows all it takes is a screw driver to pop the lock on a GM
car with a locking steering wheel. And just in case you see a question
about a car without an ignition switch....they have them. You push a
button to start them. And I've been driving for 40 years.....all kinds
of cars.
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:12:46 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
>wisdom...:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>>
>>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
>> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
>> time. Thanks again.
>
>Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
>has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
>Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
>Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
>basic items.
Nice try. But if you would check your facts first, before try to make
people look like fools, you'd know that the 2006 Santa Fe doesn't
have a column mounted ignition switch....it's on the dash. Which is
what prompted the question in the first place. It doesn't have locking
steering column (normally) like a GM car does. Which is fine because
everyone knows all it takes is a screw driver to pop the lock on a GM
car with a locking steering wheel. And just in case you see a question
about a car without an ignition switch....they have them. You push a
button to start them. And I've been driving for 40 years.....all kinds
of cars.
01-14-2009, 09:53 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:29:53 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:47:16 -0500, Mike Marlow
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:12:46 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
>>wisdom...:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>>>
>>>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
>>> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
>>> time. Thanks again.
>>
>>Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
>>has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
>>Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
>>Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
>>basic items.
>
> Nice try. But if you would check your facts first, before try to make
> people look like fools, you'd know that the 2006 Santa Fe doesn't
> have a column mounted ignition switch....it's on the dash. Which is
> what prompted the question in the first place. It doesn't have locking
> steering column (normally) like a GM car does. Which is fine because
> everyone knows all it takes is a screw driver to pop the lock on a GM
> car with a locking steering wheel. And just in case you see a question
> about a car without an ignition switch....they have them. You push a
> button to start them. And I've been driving for 40 years.....all kinds
> of cars.
All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
a dash mounted ignition. That said - ignitions lock steering columns -
right? What has been the practice since the advent of the locking steering
column? Why yes - rotating the wheel a bit to unlock. So - while I can
admit my mistake, you're no less pompus in your reply than what you suggest
of me.
Yes - I know there are cars without ignition switches. And finally - I
have been driving as long as you - I'm not impressed by that set of
credentials.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
wisdom...:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:47:16 -0500, Mike Marlow
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:12:46 -0500, rik cast forth these pearls of
>>wisdom...:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>More accurately, it's a side-effect of one specific security feature,
>>>>the locking steering wheel. Hyundai steering wheels lock in only one
>>>>position, and will lock once the key is remove from the ignition and
>>>>the wheel is turned to that position.
>>>>
>>>>If you turn the car off and remove the key, and then turn the wheel to
>>>>the position where it locks, it begins to try to turn back. At that
>>>>point, it's putting pressure on the ignition lock, which will be very
>>>>difficult or impossible to turn until that pressure is removed by
>>>>turning the wheel just a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you both. Exactly what the Hyundai tech said. They ought to but
>>> it in the manual. The dealer told be they get call about it all the
>>> time. Thanks again.
>>
>>Good lord - how long have you people been driving cars? Every vehicle that
>>has had a column mounted ignition switch has displayed this from day one.
>>Does the owner's manual have to cover even the most idiotic basic item?
>>Well ignore that question - owner's manuals do cover some really idiotic
>>basic items.
>
> Nice try. But if you would check your facts first, before try to make
> people look like fools, you'd know that the 2006 Santa Fe doesn't
> have a column mounted ignition switch....it's on the dash. Which is
> what prompted the question in the first place. It doesn't have locking
> steering column (normally) like a GM car does. Which is fine because
> everyone knows all it takes is a screw driver to pop the lock on a GM
> car with a locking steering wheel. And just in case you see a question
> about a car without an ignition switch....they have them. You push a
> button to start them. And I've been driving for 40 years.....all kinds
> of cars.
All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
a dash mounted ignition. That said - ignitions lock steering columns -
right? What has been the practice since the advent of the locking steering
column? Why yes - rotating the wheel a bit to unlock. So - while I can
admit my mistake, you're no less pompus in your reply than what you suggest
of me.
Yes - I know there are cars without ignition switches. And finally - I
have been driving as long as you - I'm not impressed by that set of
credentials.
--
-Mike-
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01-15-2009, 08:44 PM
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On Jan 14, 9:53 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fehad
> a dash mounted ignition.
I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fehad
> a dash mounted ignition.
I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
01-15-2009, 09:53 PM
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hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 14, 9:53 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
>> a dash mounted ignition.
>
> I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
> figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
> ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
> side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
> of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
> reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
> off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
The real question is: Can this style still bind up if there is torque on
the steering wheel when it is locked? I don't recall my Sonata every
binding up as do my other vehicles with column mounted ignition switches.
Matt
> On Jan 14, 9:53 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
>> a dash mounted ignition.
>
> I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
> figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
> ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
> side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
> of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
> reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
> off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
The real question is: Can this style still bind up if there is torque on
the steering wheel when it is locked? I don't recall my Sonata every
binding up as do my other vehicles with column mounted ignition switches.
Matt
01-15-2009, 11:09 PM
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Re: Ignition key lock up
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:44:00 -0800 (PST), hyundaimech@gmail.com cast forth
these pearls of wisdom...:
> On Jan 14, 9:53 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
>> a dash mounted ignition.
>
> I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
> figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
> ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
> side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
> of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
> reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
> off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
Ya know - I'm really going to expose myself here. My wife drives an 04
Sonata and I drive an 06. Both have ignitions in the dash. Unitl this
discussion, I never even took note of that. After all these years of
driving GM products, you'd think it would stand right out, but somehow I
never even paid attention to it. But then again, I started driving when
everything had the ignition in the dash and I guess that just seems
natural, even after all of these years of column mounted ignitions.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
these pearls of wisdom...:
> On Jan 14, 9:53 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> All right- I stand corrected and humbled. Did not realize the Santa Fe had
>> a dash mounted ignition.
>
> I let this go when the OP posted it, but I'll correct it since I
> figure you're genuinely interested. Many current Hyundais have an
> ignition switch which is in the dash rather than coming out of the
> side of the steering column. Nonetheless, this switch is still part
> of the steering column. Pulling the left lower panel of the dash will
> reveal that the ignition switch and lock are in an L-shaped arm coming
> off of the column and pointing the lock out of the face of the dash.
Ya know - I'm really going to expose myself here. My wife drives an 04
Sonata and I drive an 06. Both have ignitions in the dash. Unitl this
discussion, I never even took note of that. After all these years of
driving GM products, you'd think it would stand right out, but somehow I
never even paid attention to it. But then again, I started driving when
everything had the ignition in the dash and I guess that just seems
natural, even after all of these years of column mounted ignitions.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
01-22-2009, 11:10 PM
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On Jan 15, 9:53 pm, Voyager <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote:
> The real question is: Can this style still bind up if there is torque on
> the steering wheel when it is locked? I don't recall my Sonata every
> binding up as do my other vehicles with column mounted ignition switches.
>
> Matt
Sure can. You've probably never turned your wheel to the lock
position, though.
> The real question is: Can this style still bind up if there is torque on
> the steering wheel when it is locked? I don't recall my Sonata every
> binding up as do my other vehicles with column mounted ignition switches.
>
> Matt
Sure can. You've probably never turned your wheel to the lock
position, though.
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