You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil change"
mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do their
chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is when
anybody other than me does the oil change.

Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.

But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice), they
have leaked.

But the dealer gives me a whole bag-full for nothing, so it is no big deal
for me to change them.

Thanx for the info.

Tom Wenndt


"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news:NtVmg.22547$th1.18793@fe15.usenetserver.com.. .
> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain
>> plug - it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan.
>> That is one of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what
>> provides the seal.
>>
>> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with every
>> oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you try to
>> re-use it, it will leak.
>
> You should tell that to the original "crushable" o-ring under my 01 Santa
> Fe.
>
> 13 oil changes later, no leaks at the drain plug. I wish I could say that
> for the valve cover (leaking at gasket) that the idiot "Hyundai Certified"
> mechanic removed...
>
> IMHO, if you're destroying those rings on every usage (at least the
> brass/copper ones like the factory used) you really need to lay off the
> drain plug torque - its not a lugnut.
>
> JS
>

 

My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?

Jozef


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:e7hatm0peb@enews3.newsguy.com...
> You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil
> change" mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do
> their chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is
> when anybody other than me does the oil change.
>
> Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.
>
> But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice),
> they have leaked.
>
> But the dealer gives me a whole bag-full for nothing, so it is no big deal
> for me to change them.
>
> Thanx for the info.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
> news:NtVmg.22547$th1.18793@fe15.usenetserver.com.. .
>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain
>>> plug - it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan.
>>> That is one of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what
>>> provides the seal.
>>>
>>> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with
>>> every oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you
>>> try to re-use it, it will leak.
>>
>> You should tell that to the original "crushable" o-ring under my 01 Santa
>> Fe.
>>
>> 13 oil changes later, no leaks at the drain plug. I wish I could say
>> that for the valve cover (leaking at gasket) that the idiot "Hyundai
>> Certified" mechanic removed...
>>
>> IMHO, if you're destroying those rings on every usage (at least the
>> brass/copper ones like the factory used) you really need to lay off the
>> drain plug torque - its not a lugnut.
>>
>> JS
>>
>
>

 

My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?

Jozef


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:e7hatm0peb@enews3.newsguy.com...
> You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil
> change" mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do
> their chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is
> when anybody other than me does the oil change.
>
> Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.
>
> But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice),
> they have leaked.
>
> But the dealer gives me a whole bag-full for nothing, so it is no big deal
> for me to change them.
>
> Thanx for the info.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
> news:NtVmg.22547$th1.18793@fe15.usenetserver.com.. .
>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain
>>> plug - it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan.
>>> That is one of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what
>>> provides the seal.
>>>
>>> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with
>>> every oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you
>>> try to re-use it, it will leak.
>>
>> You should tell that to the original "crushable" o-ring under my 01 Santa
>> Fe.
>>
>> 13 oil changes later, no leaks at the drain plug. I wish I could say
>> that for the valve cover (leaking at gasket) that the idiot "Hyundai
>> Certified" mechanic removed...
>>
>> IMHO, if you're destroying those rings on every usage (at least the
>> brass/copper ones like the factory used) you really need to lay off the
>> drain plug torque - its not a lugnut.
>>
>> JS
>>
>
>

 

My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?

Jozef


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:e7hatm0peb@enews3.newsguy.com...
> You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil
> change" mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do
> their chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is
> when anybody other than me does the oil change.
>
> Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.
>
> But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice),
> they have leaked.
>
> But the dealer gives me a whole bag-full for nothing, so it is no big deal
> for me to change them.
>
> Thanx for the info.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
> news:NtVmg.22547$th1.18793@fe15.usenetserver.com.. .
>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain
>>> plug - it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan.
>>> That is one of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what
>>> provides the seal.
>>>
>>> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with
>>> every oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you
>>> try to re-use it, it will leak.
>>
>> You should tell that to the original "crushable" o-ring under my 01 Santa
>> Fe.
>>
>> 13 oil changes later, no leaks at the drain plug. I wish I could say
>> that for the valve cover (leaking at gasket) that the idiot "Hyundai
>> Certified" mechanic removed...
>>
>> IMHO, if you're destroying those rings on every usage (at least the
>> brass/copper ones like the factory used) you really need to lay off the
>> drain plug torque - its not a lugnut.
>>
>> JS
>>
>
>

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LPQmg.11809$d9.9647@trndny04...
>
>
>>Better yet, replace the plug with a Fram or Fumoto drain valve and
>>eliminate the need to replace the crush washers. They also eliminate the
>>need to handle oily drain plugs.
>
>
> I've wondered how these work. Haven't really ever heard anyone who actually
> used one over a period of time make a comment about them. How long have you
> had yours in Brian? How many oil changes has it gone through?

I installed a Fram valve at the first oil change, so after the change
last weekend I guess I've done a total of five with it in place over the
2+ years I've had the car. Zero problems.

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LPQmg.11809$d9.9647@trndny04...
>
>
>>Better yet, replace the plug with a Fram or Fumoto drain valve and
>>eliminate the need to replace the crush washers. They also eliminate the
>>need to handle oily drain plugs.
>
>
> I've wondered how these work. Haven't really ever heard anyone who actually
> used one over a period of time make a comment about them. How long have you
> had yours in Brian? How many oil changes has it gone through?

I installed a Fram valve at the first oil change, so after the change
last weekend I guess I've done a total of five with it in place over the
2+ years I've had the car. Zero problems.

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LPQmg.11809$d9.9647@trndny04...
>
>
>>Better yet, replace the plug with a Fram or Fumoto drain valve and
>>eliminate the need to replace the crush washers. They also eliminate the
>>need to handle oily drain plugs.
>
>
> I've wondered how these work. Haven't really ever heard anyone who actually
> used one over a period of time make a comment about them. How long have you
> had yours in Brian? How many oil changes has it gone through?

I installed a Fram valve at the first oil change, so after the change
last weekend I guess I've done a total of five with it in place over the
2+ years I've had the car. Zero problems.

 

Jozef wrote:
> My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
> in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
> miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
> filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
> let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?
>
> Jozef

I never changed the washer on my '94 Excel, either. If it was
"crushable", it never crushed. ;-)

 

Jozef wrote:
> My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
> in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
> miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
> filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
> let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?
>
> Jozef

I never changed the washer on my '94 Excel, either. If it was
"crushable", it never crushed. ;-)

 

Jozef wrote:
> My Hyundai 1996 Accent has over 213,000 miles on it. I just changed the oil
> in it today, and on my wife's 1993 Impreza with over 230,000 albeit rusting
> miles on it. Both cars use/take the same generic NAPA shrink wrapped
> filter. Both cars still have the original so-called crushable washer. Now,
> let's see which car makes it to over 300,000 miles first?
>
> Jozef

I never changed the washer on my '94 Excel, either. If it was
"crushable", it never crushed. ;-)

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain plug -
> it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan. That is one
> of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what provides the seal.
>
> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with every
> oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you try to
> re-use it, it will leak.

Is the drain plug different on the V-6 vs. the I-4?

Matt

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain plug -
> it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan. That is one
> of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what provides the seal.
>
> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with every
> oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you try to
> re-use it, it will leak.

Is the drain plug different on the V-6 vs. the I-4?

Matt

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> The groove in the middle should go "out" as you place it on the drain plug -
> it will eventually be the side that goes against the oil pan. That is one
> of those "crush-able" o-rings, and that groove is what provides the seal.
>
> Key is to ALWAYS make sure you replace these crushable o-rings with every
> oil change. After they have been deformed that first time, if you try to
> re-use it, it will leak.

Is the drain plug different on the V-6 vs. the I-4?

Matt

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil change"
> mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do their
> chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is when
> anybody other than me does the oil change.
>
> Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.
>
> But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice), they
> have leaked.

I re-used the washer on my 4 cylinder Sonata as I didn't have one for
the first oil change. No leak at all. I bought a bag with the case of
filters I ordered online, but I don't see any problem re-using them a
few times. The washer on my Chevy truck is the OEM washer and has been
through 18 changes now.

Matt

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> You have me laughing at that, because often I have accused "fast oil change"
> mechanics of using the occasion to tighten the drain plug to do their
> chin-up exercises - it is unbelievable how tight that drain plug is when
> anybody other than me does the oil change.
>
> Usually I only use two or three fingers on the wrench.
>
> But still, if I forget to change that O-ring (which I have done twice), they
> have leaked.

I re-used the washer on my 4 cylinder Sonata as I didn't have one for
the first oil change. No leak at all. I bought a bag with the case of
filters I ordered online, but I don't see any problem re-using them a
few times. The washer on my Chevy truck is the OEM washer and has been
through 18 changes now.

Matt